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and good afternoon Frank here with a

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Tuesday afternoon episode of UFO News

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Network Sunday we've got a fabulous show

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for you with a special guest I'll bring

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in my co-host chant Hana shortly but

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over the weekend that we had some

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significant news that coming from the

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world UFO Congress in Barcelona the

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string physicist famous scientist dr.

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Michio Kaku sat down for an interview

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with Jaime Masson and had some

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fascinating comments about the UFO

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phenomenon let's listen to a brief

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snippet of this rather lengthy 45-minute

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interview but the key section came when

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dr. Kaku said this because traditionally

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scientists would giggle and laugh

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talking about flying saucers the

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believers prove it give me the evidence

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show me now the burden of proof has

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shifted to the government

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now they have to prove that these

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sightings are not from outer space and

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another civilization several things have

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happened first we have video tapes video

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made taken by United States Navy pilots

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that are testable we can now see how

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fast they can zigzag what is the

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altitude we know the parameters of these

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objects now we didn't have that before

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and so this means that the burden of

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proof has shifted the military now they

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still might be hypersonic test vehicles

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Russia the United States and there you

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have it quite significant the burden of

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proof is shifted on governments around

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the world to prove that these vehicles

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these extraordinary vehicles with their

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extraordinary flight capacities are not

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from another planet that is huge and now

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it's a time to bring in now we're gonna

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cover this a little bit it's time to

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bring in my co-host aunt Hannah to

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introduce our special guests for today

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hi Frank thank you so much we have a

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wonderful guest a very special person on

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the ship today his name is Zen he's an

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author coach a facilitator an owner and

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operator several businesses his contact

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experiences Spanish life and his efforts

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to build community in ufology led to

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launching UF ology PRS Escom which he

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currently creates curates his seminal

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book stubbing mighty OE on purpose led

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to recent interviews with a thought

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leader and host of new thinking aloud

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dr. Jeffrey mich lab Zen Benefiel

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thank you so much for having been on our

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show today how are you doing I'm doing

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awesome and the conversation that's

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going to ensue I think will be

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absolutely fantastic thanks for inviting

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absolutely absolutely have you on our

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show I wanted to ask you what are your

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thoughts on the recent interview

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regarding Misha Kaku with

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I'm Emma's son a friend of yours that

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you've known for decades now well first

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of all I did listen to the entire

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interview and I found it fascinating

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although you know I mean she has a way

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of expressing himself that's a very

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fundamental almost grade school level

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which it's probably good for people

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because it kind of it takes very complex

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intricately woven subjects and topics

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and he presents them in a very eloquent

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simple way which is really difficult to

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do what I found though in regards to the

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Kardashev scale this is something that

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I've been interested in for years

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because it's obvious that if we have

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galactic travelers then more than likely

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they're going to be at least what we

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know is type 3 civilizations and this is

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only due to TARDIS chefs work early on

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and his classifications of such you know

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a type one is a planet that is able to

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utilize its energy and meteor goes

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further to say we can control weather

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and climate and all that kind of stuff -

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and that's probably correct when we have

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that kind of understanding that takes us

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to the point of the technology and its

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use in order to do so which I might also

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add could lead to harmony among people

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and planet which is the theme that I try

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to use and everything that I do in this

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way now it's hi - is one that utilizes

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the energy of its solar system Michi

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talks about being able to travel around

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and colonize and things like that and

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and how mark or Mars at one point was

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probably more advanced and earlier you

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know then way earlier than Earth and

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it's having its atmosphere and possibly

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its civilization and then the eventual

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extinction of it we don't know about

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that there's another story about the

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planet called maul deck which ended up

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being our asteroid belt and had

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similar circumstances where technology

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didn't work and the guys that we're

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using it basically exploded the planet

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however there was the type three

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civilizations at least that were in the

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area that noticed what was going on a

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type 3 by the way is a civilization that

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utilizes its galaxy

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so consider the realms of intelligence

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consciousness understanding ability to

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think travel build community all of

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those types of things that in my

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estimation would be in accordance with

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what we call natural or universal laws

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of order right it just seems like that

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would be a natural thing to happen so

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this type three civilization then is

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able to just kind of watch what's going

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well how might it do that and would we

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see you know traditional things that we

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might assume are such in such as ships

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you know holographic presentations

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things and the various what we call

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contact modalities now where these

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things might enter in being able to for

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lack of better cognate that and at least

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be willing to open our minds up which is

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kind of what makes you with was headed

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towards was you know we need to look at

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this thing in a larger perspective now

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that we have evidence military videos

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for instance we no longer have the need

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for disclosure in the way that we

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thought we needed it down like he says

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the burden of proof is on the military

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saying well these aren't you know

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civilization so this thing and up to

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where we can move forward and looking at

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scenarios and what are they saying are

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right that may have some questions that

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others don't necessarily engage in order

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experience or wisdom and trying to

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figure out okay he's here these things

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are happening what's really going on how

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purpose what are their intentions you

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know do we have a reason to be afraid

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and most of the time all of those

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reasons to be afraid can be dispelled

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of contact there's been no incidents the

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hey wait a minute guys you don't want to

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these stories have been around and this

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exclusively exclusively in the ufology

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community but yet there's a spillover

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now where the public's getting more

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involved in these kinds of events and

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questions and potential explanations are

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becoming more present I will be asking

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of metric a little bit deeper into that

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hypothetical and that you brought to our

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attention as something no the UFO

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community likes to cover on a regular I

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thoughts on what miss you ikkaku said

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really yeah what he's done is reframed

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the entire UFO debate what he's saying

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here is that we've got physical evidence

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so often we've heard people say well

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evidence well we have it you know we've

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had rich Hoffman on here talking in

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great detail about how much information

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they can glean from just small video

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snippets was that Kevin day the radar

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operator on the Princeton during the

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Nimitz case talked about you know he

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captured radar they've got this stuff on

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radar and there's something out there

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that's it's intelligently controlled and

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Kaku is saying yeah we've got the

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evidence the burden of proof is now on

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the government to say you know these are

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one of ours these are clearly

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intelligently controlled vehicles and

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someone here on earth then where do they

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come from and that gives us the jumping

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point now that to get into Zen's

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wheelhouse which is about that contact

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and and all that and as Enda you've been

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involved in all that for years you were

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talking about the contact modalities

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what does this mean for people who were

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heavily involved in that well I'm gonna

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go a little different direction for just

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a moment to have the knowledge and

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evidence base that we have that I hope

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will now come to the surface

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moon this has been floating around

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ufology for decades nobody really talks

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was an event manager so it gave me the

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opportunity to have multiple

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conversations the whole thing started

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tobacco out in her green room which was

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outdoors and I just happened to have one

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in my back pocket so I pulled it out

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walked up says hey can we share some

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smoke and it just it broke the ice

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in an unimaginable way and we just dope

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significance of tobacco which led in the

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Indian legends which led into his trip

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to the moon which over a period of the

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weekend and four or five conversations

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led to him sharing with me his

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experience of going down towards the

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surface in the LEM lunar excursion

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module what he told me and he cautioned

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me said you can't tell anybody this

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until after I'm dead because I'm in the

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contract and things could get nasty if

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word got out I just can't talk about it

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publicly which I agreed to so he says to

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me you know as we were going down

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towards the surface these metallic

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silver cylinders came up and were

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spiraling around the LEM on its way down

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said they look to be between you know

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about a metre in diameter and a few

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meters long couldn't tell whether they

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piloted or whether they were controlled

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from the surface he assumed they were

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controlled from the surface but the one

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thing he was sure of was they weren't

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ours this is from the civilization that

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had evidently been on the moon for quite

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some time that we either don't know

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about or keep secret so that being said

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and that that's a bit of a scoop I

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appreciate that said thanks a lot for

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that

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incredulous I must agree however why

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would Edgar tell me that and you know

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from my position why would I

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confabulate any stories right right

289
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right we've got exciting stuff to talk

290
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about without that but with it yeah I've

291
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never heard that before I was always

292
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under the impression that he had never

293
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he said publicly he'd never had any

294
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direct sighting as himself this was you

295
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know his interest in UFOs was based on

296
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him coming from Roswell and knowing

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about that knowing some of the people

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who were witnesses but he personally had

299
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never had any

300
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and do you know was he able to actually

301
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bring back samples anything at all that

302
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was anomalous no no this was just

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visuals that they saw on the way down

304
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okay and when they reach the surface

305
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these probes or you know whatever they

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were were gone I like ever

307
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it does edify the fact of what Neil and

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Buzz were purported to have seen many

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years prior and I spoke to a gentleman

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the other day who happened to have a

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good friend of knew Neil and they'd had

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the discussion about what they had seen

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and she told him yeah he said it's true

314
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be that as it may

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doesn't really matter because it has no

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immediate effect on us other than it's

317
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just more evidence that I believe will

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eventually come out and people go oh

319
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yeah we knew that for a long time how

320
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come you didn't yeah just to jump in the

321
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astronaut James Irwin who also walked on

322
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the moon said that is reported you know

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not directly but through secondary

324
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sources that he had seen something on

325
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the moon as well what stands to reason

326
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you know that this would be a perfect

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place if there was another civilization

328
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observing us that would be a pretty good

329
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place for them to hang out I'm sort of

330
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white and sort of watch us land on the

331
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moon which is a pretty cool thing you

332
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have to admit right I have to wonder

333
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though if part of the reason we have not

334
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been back there was we were asked not to

335
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that's just my take okay and yeah I

336
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don't know that I know that yeah I've

337
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heard that talk yeah yeah you know we

338
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didn't do any damage when we're on the

339
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moon either so there's that not that

340
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we're another world well I guess there

341
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there were some plans at one point about

342
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nuking the moon and things like that

343
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that's you know well I've seen some

344
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experiments that were

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firing projectiles into the moon to see

346
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if it was indeed solid and reports are

347
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that there wasn't evidence that it is

348
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solid so which kind of a defies the

349
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whole story of mall Dec and that this

350
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[Music]

351
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sphere is more than it appears to be and

352
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let's and then get into a little bit

353
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more detail about the contact modalities

354
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because there might be a possibility

355
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it's been talked of recently of people

356
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using these kind of contact experiences

357
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to develop inventions to move technology

358
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along and what do you think about all

359
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that well from my experience there are

360
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some potential whether we want to call

361
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them catalysts or accelerators and it

362
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spans the gamut from ethnic ins to music

363
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and Solfeggio tones and those kinds of

364
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things that vibration has always had an

365
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effect on the human physiology and

366
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consciousness so these kinds of things

367
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as we explore further and understand

368
00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:04,100
radionics years ago went into the

369
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frequencies of disease and being able to

370
00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:10,450
annihilate them and or caused them

371
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simply by introducing a frequency to the

372
00:19:22,510 --> 00:19:17,870
body this kind of technology I think at

373
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least leads us to for lack of better

374
00:19:28,090 --> 00:19:24,710
assume that there are more possibilities

375
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with other frequencies that you know for

376
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,620
crying out loud we send data packets

377
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through pulses of light through glass

378
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:33,559
tubes

379
00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:36,890
well what if we expanded that to other

380
00:19:42,190 --> 00:19:39,350
frequencies you know the electromagnetic

381
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spectrum that can store even more

382
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information and deliver it to specific

383
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individuals and then allow

384
00:19:57,389 --> 00:19:53,529
them to have their own unfolding of that

385
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which you know in a nonlinear non-local

386
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moment that seems like you know forever

387
00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:04,659
in an instant however many of these

388
00:20:11,789 --> 00:20:07,750
kinds of communications or downloads as

389
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people call them take years to unfold as

390
00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:14,559
the the information that they contain is

391
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based on precepts of knowledge acquired

392
00:20:27,299 --> 00:20:20,919
in order to understand what's being

393
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:27,309
presented does that make sense yeah okay

394
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:28,720
I know that's kind of but that's how

395
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thinking how we build our knowledge base

396
00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:34,779
and and how we expand our ability to

397
00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:38,440
think and perceive and create and in

398
00:20:45,509 --> 00:20:42,130
doing so then we give ourselves kind of

399
00:20:48,419 --> 00:20:45,519
an opening if you will to other kinds of

400
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:48,429
experiences we learned that you know a

401
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lot of near-death experiencers learn

402
00:20:55,139 --> 00:20:52,330
that death is really not real that we

403
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:55,149
don't die there's a an essence of us

404
00:21:00,480 --> 00:20:57,490
that continues even though it may not be

405
00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:00,490
in a physical form we can still think

406
00:21:09,779 --> 00:21:08,049
when we're not in the body so many of

407
00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:09,789
those kinds of things spiritual

408
00:21:16,049 --> 00:21:12,130
spiritually transformative experiences

409
00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:16,059
are somewhat akin to those where we open

410
00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:19,870
ourselves up to a more fearless place

411
00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:23,380
within us which opens us up to other

412
00:21:27,659 --> 00:21:26,260
inner realms that we can then explore

413
00:21:29,970 --> 00:21:27,669
these enter realms have been talked

414
00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:29,980
about for centuries in all kinds of

415
00:21:34,289 --> 00:21:32,230
different literature and spiritual paths

416
00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:34,299
and you know all that kind of stuff

417
00:21:39,899 --> 00:21:37,960
right it's there there's evidence so now

418
00:21:42,629 --> 00:21:39,909
there's a little more of an end mass

419
00:21:46,879 --> 00:21:42,639
experience of that and we're looking for

420
00:21:49,620 --> 00:21:46,889
ways to try to explain it still right

421
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:49,630
which is great because that knowledge

422
00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:52,570
base increases and then we begin to

423
00:21:59,820 --> 00:21:57,100
cross-reference ufology and science and

424
00:22:01,289 --> 00:21:59,830
spirituality and cosmology and you know

425
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:01,299
like the title my head

426
00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:05,330
that's subtitled in my book stubbing my

427
00:22:11,109 --> 00:22:08,710
toe on purpose is a Seminole view of

428
00:22:13,299 --> 00:22:11,119
consciousness cosmology and the

429
00:22:15,849 --> 00:22:13,309
congruence of science and spirituality

430
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:15,859
well my estimation these are the kinds

431
00:22:21,609 --> 00:22:17,450
of things that we need to start looking

432
00:22:25,419 --> 00:22:21,619
for because it appears anyway that there

433
00:22:29,859 --> 00:22:25,429
is no real threat from other

434
00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:29,869
civilizations other than our own yeah I

435
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:31,879
would have to agree with Jung that that

436
00:22:37,779 --> 00:22:35,330
man is the real danger there so but that

437
00:22:39,969 --> 00:22:37,789
yeah you mentioned your book regarding

438
00:22:42,849 --> 00:22:39,979
the theory of everything

439
00:22:45,849 --> 00:22:42,859
which is what toe stands for so I wanted

440
00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:45,859
to tell us a little bit about that well

441
00:22:51,339 --> 00:22:47,419
it's based like jeffrey miss love you

442
00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:51,349
know amazing speed-read reader and able

443
00:22:56,169 --> 00:22:55,009
to retain the content by the questions

444
00:22:59,320 --> 00:22:56,179
he asked me during the interview that

445
00:23:01,960 --> 00:22:59,330
was obvious so I have a lot of respect

446
00:23:03,989 --> 00:23:01,970
for him what the book covers is

447
00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:03,999
basically it's kind of a pseudo

448
00:23:11,259 --> 00:23:07,190
autobiography that I chronicle

449
00:23:16,499 --> 00:23:11,269
experiences thoughts observations

450
00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:16,509
questions investigation corollary

451
00:23:21,239 --> 00:23:18,289
information that comes from other

452
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:21,249
sources that might enter Phi my

453
00:23:26,349 --> 00:23:23,929
understanding that doesn't make it

454
00:23:29,159 --> 00:23:26,359
completely true it just makes it that

455
00:23:35,710 --> 00:23:29,169
it's it works for my understanding right

456
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:35,720
so you know the experiences I get

457
00:23:40,570 --> 00:23:38,330
started when I was young I was set up

458
00:23:44,859 --> 00:23:40,580
really well I was adopted orphaned at

459
00:23:47,979 --> 00:23:44,869
birth adopted six weeks and then my

460
00:23:50,139 --> 00:23:47,989
parents bring an adopted sister home and

461
00:23:51,789 --> 00:23:50,149
I was just a little over four at the

462
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:51,799
time and so they thought it was time for

463
00:23:56,919 --> 00:23:54,710
them to explain what adoption was all

464
00:23:58,599 --> 00:23:56,929
about because there was no you know

465
00:24:00,300 --> 00:23:58,609
pregnancy involved just all of a sudden

466
00:24:06,010 --> 00:24:00,310
I got a little sister in my arms

467
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:06,020
and it led me to really starting to

468
00:24:12,850 --> 00:24:07,250
inquire within

469
00:24:16,210 --> 00:24:12,860
as a kid I know that's almost unheard of

470
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:16,220
and yet I had those questions I began to

471
00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:19,460
explore and fairly soon there was a

472
00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:23,540
voice that came one evening that out of

473
00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:26,750
the blue that just simply calls out hey

474
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:32,750
you and so I heard it I because it was

475
00:24:36,940 --> 00:24:35,570
so loud and so present I felt sure my

476
00:24:39,550 --> 00:24:36,950
mother who was sitting at the bottom of

477
00:24:41,650 --> 00:24:39,560
the stairs I was on a landing looking

478
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,660
out through the window over the front

479
00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:44,240
porch I had assumed that she could hear

480
00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:46,460
it and I spun around and after she could

481
00:24:52,990 --> 00:24:50,180
and she didn't so I kind of had this

482
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:53,000
awareness that I knew this voice was

483
00:25:01,690 --> 00:24:56,630
real and that somehow it was just for me

484
00:25:03,910 --> 00:25:01,700
so I struck up calm Shinzon over the

485
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:03,920
next couple of years almost three I

486
00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:06,650
think I had multiple conversations I had

487
00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:08,630
my first out-of-body experience

488
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:13,340
one afternoon that it helped me to have

489
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:15,260
by just saying you know I felt the fear

490
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:19,310
of Leaning my body and as I did the

491
00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:21,980
voice just said just take a breath and

492
00:25:31,450 --> 00:25:26,830
relax and let go so that's what I did

493
00:25:35,290 --> 00:25:31,460
and then about a year later I had my

494
00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:35,300
first experience of watching myself get

495
00:25:40,660 --> 00:25:39,260
out of bed getting out my bedroom or

496
00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:40,670
opening my bedroom window

497
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:42,200
climbing out walking across the

498
00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:45,110
neighbor's backyard to the fence that

499
00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:47,030
surrounded a ten acre pasture and this

500
00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:50,030
was rural Indiana and then climbed the

501
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:51,620
fence to the pasture walk out into the

502
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:55,250
field and then my body started rising up

503
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,650
into the air now the one thing that I

504
00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:00,320
found pretty cool about the experiences

505
00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:03,950
I was able I had an observer that was

506
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:07,700
watching this and so as my body started

507
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:09,590
rising up into the air I looked up and I

508
00:26:15,889 --> 00:26:13,950
see this huge at least half mile long

509
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,899
orange cigar-shaped cloud and when I

510
00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:17,760
would get to the perimeter of the cloud

511
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:23,190
my observer became one with the body I

512
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,049
was observing and I would go into the

513
00:26:31,129 --> 00:26:26,880
cloud and wake up in bed the next

514
00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:31,139
morning couldn't wait to go back so

515
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:33,990
these things this experience was

516
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:37,440
repeated I want to say twice a month for

517
00:26:42,879 --> 00:26:40,529
a couple of years never was I able to

518
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,889
retain what happened inside the cloud

519
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:45,299
which is one of the things I mentioned

520
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:47,460
about the rule out of experiences and

521
00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:49,529
how long it takes to really understand

522
00:26:54,850 --> 00:26:52,470
have the the knowledge base in order to

523
00:27:00,610 --> 00:26:54,860
ask the right questions to garner the

524
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:00,620
wisdom that was given at that time so

525
00:27:08,299 --> 00:27:04,850
though that's how things began for me

526
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:08,309
and at the same time I was you know

527
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:10,740
pretty much a good student an athlete

528
00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:14,220
and you know explored the woods close by

529
00:27:21,379 --> 00:27:16,409
the house and did all the things that a

530
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,389
normal childhood a normal you know young

531
00:27:29,529 --> 00:27:24,000
boy would do even up through high school

532
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:29,539
then when I went to college I had a

533
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:32,250
pretty devastating experience and it

534
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:34,169
wasn't physically traumatic but it was

535
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:36,450
emotionally traumatic and I went back

536
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:42,240
second quarter of my freshman year I was

537
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:44,220
living in the on a daughter storm is in

538
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:47,940
a pre-med program but I hit my knees and

539
00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:49,529
you know I don't know how many people

540
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:52,919
actually pray but I'll admit I do so I

541
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:56,100
hit my knees and I prayed and basically

542
00:27:59,419 --> 00:27:57,720
I said father I want to know what truth

543
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:59,429
is and I'm willing to die for it if

544
00:28:05,019 --> 00:28:00,179
necessary

545
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:05,029
and I really felt committed to that and

546
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:07,860
the following week which actually was

547
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:10,110
the same week that Travis Waltons

548
00:28:15,379 --> 00:28:12,600
experience took place this was on

549
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:15,389
November 11th 1975 and I think his was

550
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,049
just a few days later or maybe prior to

551
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:22,320
but I know this within the same week at

552
00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:25,500
any rate the I'll truncate the

553
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:27,740
experience I was

554
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,990
asked if I was willing to die for what I

555
00:28:33,850 --> 00:28:31,520
believed in I thought of Christ

556
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:33,860
consciousness first dismissed that

557
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,490
because it didn't feel complete for some

558
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:40,640
reason and went into cosmic

559
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:45,170
consciousness that sense whatever it was

560
00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:48,220
felt more complete and so I said yes and

561
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:50,780
then the album that I was listening to

562
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:52,790
Germany's first album had a guitar riff

563
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:54,350
that sound like a rocket ship taking off

564
00:28:58,900 --> 00:28:56,570
so it made it really easy to leave my

565
00:29:01,270 --> 00:28:58,910
body turned around and look at my body

566
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:01,280
as I was leaving turned back to look

567
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:02,990
where I was going was immediately

568
00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:06,970
engulfed by white light purest most

569
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:12,200
amazing feeling I have ever had and even

570
00:29:18,940 --> 00:29:15,710
though I was asked if I was willing to

571
00:29:21,549 --> 00:29:18,950
die for what I believed in in this place

572
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:21,559
I could still think so I knew I wasn't

573
00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:25,850
dead and through you know staying there

574
00:29:30,790 --> 00:29:27,590
for a little bit in a conversation with

575
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,800
this voice I was taken into another

576
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:32,960
place where there were points of light

577
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:35,090
surrounding me in an indigo background

578
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,780
and a message was delivered and then I

579
00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:41,120
was at the end of the the message

580
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:43,700
basically the voice had trust and allow

581
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:47,690
and with that I felt in another rush of

582
00:29:52,990 --> 00:29:50,030
energy and I am back in my body taking a

583
00:29:56,140 --> 00:29:53,000
gulp of air kept my eyes closed for a

584
00:30:00,840 --> 00:29:56,150
while and felt myself reintegrating and

585
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:00,850
it took years to really understand that

586
00:30:07,690 --> 00:30:05,210
from that perspective I'd had an

587
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:07,700
experience of cosmic consciousness and

588
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:11,450
the condensation back into physical form

589
00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:17,350
so what do you do with that right and

590
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:20,660
that's how you know the questions really

591
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:22,790
began it's okay you know how do I do

592
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:24,970
this what do we need to do to prepare

593
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:27,110
what are the signs that I need to be

594
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,559
aware of and these points of light even

595
00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:32,480
at the time I was told that these were

596
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:35,900
those I was to work with they were

597
00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:38,330
definitely out-of-body as I was and so

598
00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:39,220
but I

599
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:42,340
a sense that they were also in body and

600
00:30:48,390 --> 00:30:45,330
why was that so traumatic for you

601
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:48,400
traumatic at all you you were saying

602
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:51,090
earlier that you had a devastating

603
00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:52,780
experiment

604
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:55,750
prior to that nothing to do it put me an

605
00:31:03,120 --> 00:30:58,450
emotional place that I was willing to go

606
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:03,130
deep and inquire the kind of cosmic

607
00:31:08,899 --> 00:31:04,870
ascension I'm just gonna make up terms

608
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:08,909
as I go along here sure that you

609
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:12,250
experienced where you weren't an

610
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:14,590
academic you weren't thinking in an

611
00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:16,690
intellectual manner which encompassed

612
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:19,900
critical thinking you surpassed that you

613
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:22,450
actually ascended to a point that was

614
00:31:29,549 --> 00:31:26,830
probably I assume in a purely spiritual

615
00:31:37,409 --> 00:31:29,559
sense is that what you would describe it

616
00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:37,419
as and there's a description and I think

617
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:39,909
it's the Hindu tradition that talks

618
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:43,510
about going beyond mind right and when

619
00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:46,900
you when you reach that super liminal

620
00:31:55,049 --> 00:31:50,140
state or that level of being that was

621
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:55,059
just pure a sense of pure oneness with

622
00:32:01,200 --> 00:31:57,010
all mm-hmm

623
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,210
did you feel complete and if you did or

624
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:03,760
you didn't did you still feel the

625
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,640
singular nature of yourself or did you

626
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:08,799
feel that dissolve away that's an

627
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:13,230
amazing question and to answer that yes

628
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:17,770
to both there was a simultaneous feeling

629
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:22,679
of complete oneness and individual

630
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:27,179
consciousness because I could think and

631
00:32:36,899 --> 00:32:32,169
yet I felt this overarching sense of

632
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:36,909
unity with everything okay and then I

633
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:39,070
have kind of an odd question for you

634
00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:43,030
this Kardashev metric this scale that is

635
00:32:48,899 --> 00:32:45,070
relied upon by many people which is a

636
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:48,909
hypothetical regarding energy that

637
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:52,380
civilizations might glean from a star

638
00:32:55,639 --> 00:32:53,940
that's my understanding of it it's

639
00:32:57,649 --> 00:32:55,649
actually a lot more complex than that

640
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:57,659
but I'm just going to abbreviate it and

641
00:33:02,259 --> 00:32:58,500
say it like that

642
00:33:05,299 --> 00:33:02,269
you're welcome to correct me at any time

643
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:05,309
that's a very materialistic point of

644
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:09,179
view regarding a possible et

645
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:11,850
civilization or civilizations out there

646
00:33:17,539 --> 00:33:14,669
relying on pend some kind of energy

647
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:17,549
source in order to survive and also

648
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:21,600
traverse the galaxies now my question to

649
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:26,399
you is how does that translate into the

650
00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:31,019
kind of situation you actually ascend it

651
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:33,500
to and I'll explain what I mean

652
00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:37,289
why would et civilizations bother with

653
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:39,539
the cartouche of scale if they could

654
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:41,929
have access to what you did

655
00:33:52,419 --> 00:33:45,990
there's symbiotic and what I mean by

656
00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:52,429
that is material and spiritual coexist

657
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:55,940
the electromagnetic spectrum

658
00:34:02,600 --> 00:33:58,850
demonstrates that the very low

659
00:34:07,899 --> 00:34:02,610
frequencies are more solid the very high

660
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:07,909
frequencies are not in the relation to

661
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:13,260
how the the Kardashev scale applies you

662
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:16,409
know on a type well we're maybe at point

663
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,700
five right we have the intelligence to

664
00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:24,480
know that there seems to be a bridge

665
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:30,500
between worlds now by that I mean if our

666
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:34,740
attention and intention is able to or

667
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:38,730
are able to affect our immediate

668
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:44,490
environment then does that not offer an

669
00:34:56,319 --> 00:34:48,510
experience of what quantum theorists

670
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,180
let me know I I want to interject with

671
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,040
the question at some point go ahead okay

672
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:03,599
so but you get what I'm saying there I'm

673
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:05,420
following you guys it

674
00:35:10,539 --> 00:35:08,930
so that you know meet you start or he

675
00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:10,549
talks about you know why do we have a

676
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:11,900
proton electron a neutron

677
00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:15,529
well first of all that there needs to be

678
00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:17,980
some particles that are able to be

679
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:23,240
brought in two configurations but what's

680
00:35:30,279 --> 00:35:26,510
driving that well you know there's 99%

681
00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:30,289
space in an atom and what's in that you

682
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:32,420
know we're calling a dark matter well

683
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:34,700
yeah it doesn't it's not dark matter it

684
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,630
just it's matter and it matters because

685
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:40,160
it's there there are things that

686
00:35:46,089 --> 00:35:43,369
consciousness the intelligence the

687
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:46,099
thought you know we talk about speed of

688
00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:48,049
light but we rarely talk about speed of

689
00:35:54,849 --> 00:35:50,599
thought and there's very few references

690
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:54,859
to that one is in a basically the only

691
00:35:59,950 --> 00:35:57,730
one I've been able to find is in a

692
00:36:02,079 --> 00:35:59,960
quote-unquote channeled work called the

693
00:36:06,309 --> 00:36:02,089
you rancher book and it notes that he's

694
00:36:09,220 --> 00:36:06,319
being 841 trillion miles per second yeah

695
00:36:11,319 --> 00:36:09,230
I have to so so if we you know just

696
00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:11,329
using that let's say it's not even true

697
00:36:17,019 --> 00:36:13,779
but let's say that there's a

698
00:36:19,779 --> 00:36:17,029
civilization that's been able to garner

699
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:19,789
its over the power and the understanding

700
00:36:28,059 --> 00:36:24,079
of its galaxy and this consciousness

701
00:36:30,609 --> 00:36:28,069
evolved simultaneously with the ability

702
00:36:33,609 --> 00:36:30,619
to understand and utilize that the

703
00:36:38,319 --> 00:36:33,619
higher order thinking the understanding

704
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:38,329
of you know how it's basically the law

705
00:36:44,589 --> 00:36:40,730
of attraction on steroids right where

706
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:44,599
our ability to think and perceive and to

707
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:48,740
intend actually has an effect on the

708
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:52,400
world around us and can be quite

709
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,210
profound in certain instances you know

710
00:37:01,749 --> 00:36:59,119
when people recognize these motion just

711
00:37:04,359 --> 00:37:01,759
call them synchronicities right where a

712
00:37:08,890 --> 00:37:04,369
person is either thinking or talking or

713
00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:08,900
wondering about something and all the

714
00:37:15,009 --> 00:37:12,230
sudden that they're in shifts and

715
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:15,019
there's a demonstrable sensation within

716
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:18,950
them in that shift they actually feel in

717
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:22,940
genetic shift that then reveals a new

718
00:37:26,770 --> 00:37:24,410
level of awareness or a new living

719
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:26,780
awareness in that environment of

720
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:28,310
something beyond what they had

721
00:37:33,819 --> 00:37:31,880
previously considered the implications

722
00:37:35,890 --> 00:37:33,829
of subatomic physics regarding the

723
00:37:38,349 --> 00:37:35,900
mysticism that were sort of delving into

724
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:38,359
here I think may have been covered by

725
00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:42,190
the dow physics which was written by the

726
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:49,070
high energy physicist yep friedhof Capra

727
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:53,839
and wanted to read a quote an excerpt

728
00:38:00,700 --> 00:37:56,750
from the DAO physics that summarizes

729
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:00,710
Capra's writing for his book and that is

730
00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:03,680
this the science does not need mysticism

731
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:06,109
and mysticism does not need science but

732
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,089
man needs both I wanted to ask you again

733
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:14,240
regarding the cartouche of scale and eg

734
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:17,260
civilizations that may rely upon that

735
00:38:22,329 --> 00:38:20,570
hypothetical might might actually use

736
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:22,339
that part and parcel to actually

737
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:25,490
traverse the galaxies whatever galaxies

738
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:28,609
those are or universes whatever what I

739
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:31,210
was going to ask you is since man

740
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:34,040
appears - and I'm just gonna stereotype

741
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:36,710
here and I'm going to generalize a lot

742
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:40,060
of things since man appears to

743
00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:43,760
occasionally delve into that very

744
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:48,589
special perspective and maybe it was an

745
00:38:52,809 --> 00:38:50,810
invitation for you I don't know from

746
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:52,819
some cosmic something that allowed you

747
00:39:02,109 --> 00:38:57,290
to step up that ladder to get into that

748
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:02,119
subatomic area that 1% of the 99% of

749
00:39:07,809 --> 00:39:04,609
nothingness that 1% of something and get

750
00:39:11,319 --> 00:39:07,819
into there what I would like to know is

751
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:11,329
why is it et civilizations need to rely

752
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:13,970
upon the Kardashev scale in order to get

753
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:17,119
anywhere if you have the ability to get

754
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:18,609
there now I know I've already asked that

755
00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:22,760
but is it possible that et civilizations

756
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:26,750
and man can only get to that point every

757
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:28,970
now and then that they cannot remain

758
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:32,810
there in this physical capacity in there

759
00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:36,460
materialistic forms in their bodies for

760
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:39,620
certain periods of time otherwise

761
00:39:44,020 --> 00:39:41,690
they'll dissolve into nothingness and

762
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:44,030
then they won't need their ships they

763
00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:46,130
won't need their planets they won't need

764
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,870
anything materialistic at all

765
00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:50,240
they'll just require themselves to think

766
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:52,460
or to not think because my understanding

767
00:40:00,780 --> 00:39:55,850
is it is this and it is nothing it is

768
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:04,200
great comments and wonderful question

769
00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:08,000
what to answer the further I wouldn't

770
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:10,580
for questions and answer the first one

771
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:13,370
about what's it matter to them yes it

772
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:16,930
doesn't that's our way of trying to

773
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:21,200
accuse a Heinlein term croc creation

774
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:24,350
right and what's beyond us we've reached

775
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:26,510
that point now to where we can actually

776
00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:28,430
consider that we have the intelligence

777
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:30,620
to do so that doesn't make it right

778
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:32,830
right

779
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:36,490
however we have the ability to at least

780
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:41,150
move beyond where we are and try to

781
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:44,930
perceive what else might be and explain

782
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:48,680
it in some way which is kind of what

783
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:53,210
scientists do right so yeah it's it's

784
00:40:57,310 --> 00:40:55,670
really meant as a jumping-off point to

785
00:40:58,990 --> 00:40:57,320
consider these some of these ideas

786
00:41:00,910 --> 00:40:59,000
you don't like nice the spheres in the

787
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:00,920
Drake Equation and some of the other

788
00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:02,210
things that have been put forth right

789
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:04,220
maybe this is how they're doing it maybe

790
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,260
maybe it's a lot simpler for them maybe

791
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:08,720
their knowledge is so advanced that they

792
00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:10,670
can be a lot more efficient they don't

793
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:12,260
even need that what what would a

794
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,420
civilization need the power of an entire

795
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:16,880
galaxy for what would they do with it -

796
00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:19,390
the second question Shannon had about

797
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:22,820
wideness and why you know the experience

798
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:24,950
of nothingness and you know

799
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:27,890
consciousness is such that I see it this

800
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:32,750
way we had we need ways to experience

801
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:37,880
our environment and at that level and

802
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:39,740
there is you know there's some evidence

803
00:41:45,739 --> 00:41:42,770
in some of the writings from the 1920s

804
00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:45,749
guy Ballard Baird Spalding

805
00:41:52,099 --> 00:41:48,140
and even the year Antron book was

806
00:41:56,059 --> 00:41:52,109
eventually that's when it began there is

807
00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:56,069
Madame Blavatsky oh yeah as well okay so

808
00:42:05,469 --> 00:41:59,390
there's the these precursors if you will

809
00:42:10,759 --> 00:42:05,479
to awareness of the ability of some

810
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:10,769
consciousness is to be able to condense

811
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:15,660
into form in front of them yes right so

812
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:20,940
if that is true mm-hmm then there may be

813
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:30,569
other entire civilizations capable and

814
00:42:35,509 --> 00:42:33,390
that maybe some of those appearances

815
00:42:37,009 --> 00:42:35,519
might even be members of those

816
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:37,019
civilizations that are coming here and

817
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:38,700
trying to say hey guys knock knock

818
00:42:46,099 --> 00:42:41,640
wake up don't mess with the atom it you

819
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:46,109
know be careful take care of each other

820
00:42:51,019 --> 00:42:48,660
nurture yourselves be aware of the

821
00:42:53,059 --> 00:42:51,029
ecosystems on the planet and use them

822
00:42:55,249 --> 00:42:53,069
wisely and you know don't destroy

823
00:42:57,769 --> 00:42:55,259
yourselves in the process which none of

824
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:57,779
that we've really listened to my we're

825
00:43:02,900 --> 00:42:59,940
faced with these things and and they are

826
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:02,910
still there they you know consciousness

827
00:43:07,999 --> 00:43:05,940
is still trying to say hey look guys you

828
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,009
know start cleaning up your mess and

829
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:10,619
there's going to be all kinds of help

830
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,619
available not necessary because they get

831
00:43:18,949 --> 00:43:15,839
involved but because we shift our

832
00:43:23,469 --> 00:43:18,959
consciousness to a point where that

833
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:23,479
energy shifts and our ability to perform

834
00:43:33,439 --> 00:43:29,839
with each other in ways that assist the

835
00:43:35,959 --> 00:43:33,449
for lack of a better healing of our

836
00:43:38,539 --> 00:43:35,969
environment or ourselves or cultural

837
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:38,549
wounds or planetary woman's all of those

838
00:43:46,249 --> 00:43:43,380
kinds of things are still possible so

839
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,259
Ray Bradbury wrote many stories

840
00:43:50,739 --> 00:43:49,680
regarding consciousness in different

841
00:43:54,049 --> 00:43:50,749
ways

842
00:43:56,359 --> 00:43:54,059
and like one example is there were some

843
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:56,369
kids they were watching TV in a room I'm

844
00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:59,050
really oversimplifying here and that

845
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:01,490
basically what they're looking at turned

846
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:03,650
into an event where you know there were

847
00:44:12,490 --> 00:44:11,090
lions and a safari and the Lions the end

848
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:12,500
of this story everybody just I'm gonna

849
00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:14,150
ruin it for you did the lion sate their

850
00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:15,800
parents okay the other thing that he

851
00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:19,100
wrote about who was I'm going somewhere

852
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:21,980
with this orbs of light and that were on

853
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:25,370
a planet and basically were energy

854
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:29,150
beings subatomic level of consciousness

855
00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:32,450
that were basically kind of similar to

856
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:34,040
what we're talking about were you ascent

857
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:36,140
to a certain point you're not really a

858
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:39,010
body you're just some kind of energy

859
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,960
type or your everything and you're

860
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,760
nothing now it's gonna read something to

861
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:44,720
you and then I was gonna ask you a

862
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:47,180
question Kardashev concluded his famous

863
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:49,370
paper regarding a scale with this

864
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:52,010
reflection he said and I'm gonna go

865
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:53,480
ahead and dip into what he said here

866
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:54,710
because I'm not going to read the

867
00:44:57,010 --> 00:44:56,450
beginning of it I'm just gonna read an

868
00:45:00,040 --> 00:44:57,020
excerpt

869
00:45:01,950 --> 00:45:00,050
he said we should like to note that the

870
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:01,960
estimates arrived at here are

871
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:04,460
unquestionably of no more than a

872
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,670
tentative nature but all of them bear

873
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:09,920
witness to the fact that if terrestrial

874
00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:12,230
civilization is not a unique phenomenon

875
00:45:16,810 --> 00:45:14,540
in the entire universe than the

876
00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:16,820
possibility of establishing contacts

877
00:45:21,850 --> 00:45:19,460
with other civilizations by means of

878
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:21,860
present-day radio physics capabilities

879
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:25,610
is entirely realistic know what I was

880
00:45:32,010 --> 00:45:29,210
gonna ask you is this after we realize

881
00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:32,020
that we can really ascend to this

882
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,780
non-tangible type of nature and probably

883
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:38,000
exist for an unknown amount of time and

884
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:40,310
immortality doesn't even enter into that

885
00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:42,290
kind of scale of understanding because

886
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:44,870
really that's the kind of understanding

887
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:47,630
that we don't have total access to it's

888
00:45:56,140 --> 00:45:49,910
fun fact or even partial at this right

889
00:45:58,810 --> 00:45:56,150
right it's possible what I was when I

890
00:46:02,170 --> 00:45:58,820
look when I reflect upon my reading of

891
00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:02,180
Ray Bradbury is his novels over and over

892
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:05,300
again and I also think about the kind of

893
00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:07,910
technology we use right now to traverse

894
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,230
our own space

895
00:46:15,980 --> 00:46:13,200
and then I read this quote from

896
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:15,990
cartouche of saying is that the

897
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:17,609
possibility of establishing contacts

898
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,260
with other civilizations by means of

899
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,599
present-day radio physics capabilities

900
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:24,359
it was entirely entirely realistic all

901
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:27,630
of it sounds outdated compared to your

902
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:31,020
having ascended some kind of amazing

903
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:35,010
ladder of consciousness that all sounds

904
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:36,990
like it just kind of all falls away it

905
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:39,960
seems meaningless and I was gonna ask

906
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:43,050
you doesn't it sound outdated to you all

907
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:45,210
of our technology compared to what you

908
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:47,369
went to because that's kind of a high

909
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:50,520
that's kind of like some people call

910
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:53,790
high magic or high technology there's

911
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,099
really no term for it doesn't it seem

912
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:58,800
like everything and you know this is the

913
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:00,359
thing I think some philosophers even

914
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,970
became very depressed when they realize

915
00:47:09,250 --> 00:47:04,880
that there's a level of consciousness

916
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:09,260
that they cannot attain on a regular and

917
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,030
it just seems like some people might

918
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:14,640
take it in a very depressing way that

919
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:16,710
here we are in this physical form and

920
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:19,650
yet here you were ascending how are we

921
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:26,910
supposed to reach that knowledge II

922
00:47:30,859 --> 00:47:29,369
seems outdated we can't reach that level

923
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:30,869
when we wake up we have to go to work

924
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:32,609
that kind of thing it just seems like

925
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:35,730
nine to five hours responsibly no it's

926
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:39,270
not outdated it's present okay there are

927
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:41,940
so many layers and levels of

928
00:47:50,089 --> 00:47:46,560
intelligence and capabilities you know

929
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:50,099
you've got I mean look at the division

930
00:47:57,550 --> 00:47:53,700
of labor in a society mm-hmm you know

931
00:48:00,140 --> 00:47:57,560
that's reflective of a span of

932
00:48:03,319 --> 00:48:00,150
consciousness right

933
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:03,329
some people think very highly some

934
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,270
people you know for instance what I do

935
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:08,940
for or one of the hats that I wear my

936
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:11,490
companies is I do partnering workshops

937
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:15,599
for pre-construction meetings and so

938
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,130
these are multi multi-million dollar

939
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,359
projects where they'd be building road

940
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:22,800
bridge

941
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:26,490
waterways hotels all that kind of stuff

942
00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:31,110
so these are all when someone confers

943
00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:33,840
conceives the architect built you know

944
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:37,470
designs then the contractors and

945
00:48:43,090 --> 00:48:39,750
subcontractors and the rest of the

946
00:48:47,770 --> 00:48:43,100
stakeholders build the project well

947
00:48:50,540 --> 00:48:47,780
that's a similar framework in which

948
00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:50,550
consciousness resides and that's that

949
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:53,580
when we have questions and we can

950
00:49:01,280 --> 00:48:59,040
perceive potential answers or we receive

951
00:49:02,780 --> 00:49:01,290
snippets of things you know we we don't

952
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:02,790
get answers until we ask the right

953
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:04,890
questions and the question is are we

954
00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:07,740
asking the right questions when we do

955
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:12,030
then the options arise with the answers

956
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,210
that we receive to discern first of all

957
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,640
observe question even further you know

958
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:22,440
it's almost like Bloom's taxonomy where

959
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:24,210
the highest rung on it is self

960
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:28,200
evaluation when we can really be

961
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:30,420
critical of ourselves and how we think

962
00:49:34,310 --> 00:49:32,310
and what our belief systems are and how

963
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:34,320
they affect our interpretation of

964
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:38,490
answers then we can get somewhere so do

965
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:40,290
you believe that the fact that you

966
00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:41,640
ascended to a certain level of

967
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:45,030
consciousness has practical application

968
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,400
for everyday life or does it just have a

969
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:49,920
very lofty type of nature to you it has

970
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,560
absolutely an application for everyday

971
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:56,160
life because what it leads back to is

972
00:50:02,900 --> 00:49:57,930
awareness of everything and the

973
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:02,910
connection to it right so life becomes

974
00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:07,410
the ability of okay so there's two

975
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:08,070
facets

976
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:10,220
there's self-actualization

977
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:12,390
self-realization self-actualization is

978
00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:15,510
the outer world where you step up to

979
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:16,470
your potential

980
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:19,500
self real age self-realization is the

981
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:21,810
integral where you step up your to your

982
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:24,510
potential right so you have a merging of

983
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,030
those and self-awareness is in the

984
00:50:30,830 --> 00:50:29,280
middle of that it's like the right and

985
00:50:33,859 --> 00:50:30,840
left hemisphere is being connected with

986
00:50:38,499 --> 00:50:33,869
the corpus callosum right

987
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:38,509
it acts as a medium if you will to

988
00:50:43,789 --> 00:50:41,400
integrate those realities the inner and

989
00:50:49,089 --> 00:50:43,799
outer so when you can become self-aware

990
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,099
enough to where you recognize the outer

991
00:50:57,799 --> 00:50:52,380
reflections of what's going on inside of

992
00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:57,809
you then that increases your joy first

993
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:01,559
of all because it just naturally does

994
00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:05,099
that it raises your awareness it raises

995
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:07,079
your for lack of a better vibration I

996
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:10,890
think needs to have some they have some

997
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:15,420
other escalations or iterations so when

998
00:51:22,269 --> 00:51:18,930
you the practical application of it

999
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:22,279
is to become more aware of how you

1000
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:24,930
interact with your environment and how

1001
00:51:29,989 --> 00:51:27,660
it reflects your interaction it's like I

1002
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:29,999
was talking about earlier the attention

1003
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:33,630
and intention can affect our environment

1004
00:51:39,769 --> 00:51:37,859
you know it brings people to us it if we

1005
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:39,779
get phone calls from people that you

1006
00:51:45,979 --> 00:51:42,839
know there's all kinds of little nuances

1007
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:45,989
and specific events in our lives that we

1008
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:48,390
can identify where those things bridge

1009
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:52,170
and we have an event and it is in just a

1010
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,910
moment but it's there and we can

1011
00:52:00,439 --> 00:51:56,400
recognize it now the trick is to build

1012
00:52:03,169 --> 00:52:00,449
upon those in order to build the trust

1013
00:52:06,259 --> 00:52:03,179
factor and allow the rest of it to

1014
00:52:09,169 --> 00:52:06,269
unfold and become aware of it when it

1015
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:09,179
does so if that door opens we can

1016
00:52:14,509 --> 00:52:11,729
embrace what's coming through it or not

1017
00:52:17,479 --> 00:52:14,519
and you can kick your own door open now

1018
00:52:19,699 --> 00:52:17,489
sort of like what you did by putting

1019
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,709
together the website day ufology press

1020
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:21,599
so wants to tell us a little bit about

1021
00:52:25,939 --> 00:52:23,579
where that idea came from and what folks

1022
00:52:28,249 --> 00:52:25,949
can find over there well this was one of

1023
00:52:31,789 --> 00:52:28,259
those instances okay so I've been

1024
00:52:35,209 --> 00:52:31,799
involved for years and ufology was at

1025
00:52:39,439 --> 00:52:35,219
the first international UFO Congress in

1026
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:39,449
Tucson at 91 so I'd been when it moved

1027
00:52:44,849 --> 00:52:42,900
back to Phoenix in 2010 I had a group of

1028
00:52:47,339 --> 00:52:44,859
folks in our

1029
00:52:50,059 --> 00:52:47,349
UFO discussion meetup group that I

1030
00:52:53,789 --> 00:52:50,069
talked into getting a vendor table and

1031
00:52:56,759 --> 00:52:53,799
so for the next several or couple three

1032
00:53:01,680 --> 00:52:56,769
years we had vendor tables at the event

1033
00:53:04,019 --> 00:53:01,690
I was also involved with the town of

1034
00:53:06,839 --> 00:53:04,029
Gilbert City Council at the time and

1035
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:06,849
promoting information and research of

1036
00:53:12,449 --> 00:53:09,910
co-working and incubator space for them

1037
00:53:16,349 --> 00:53:12,459
and at one of their business networking

1038
00:53:18,749 --> 00:53:16,359
meetings I met a gentleman that owned a

1039
00:53:22,589 --> 00:53:18,759
company called mine and they were

1040
00:53:25,469 --> 00:53:22,599
developing wireframe curated websites

1041
00:53:29,579 --> 00:53:25,479
that you could plug any topic into and

1042
00:53:32,279 --> 00:53:29,589
you could bring in RSS feeds which is

1043
00:53:35,009 --> 00:53:32,289
what the peat RSS means it's really

1044
00:53:38,370 --> 00:53:35,019
simple syndication so those feeds then

1045
00:53:40,589 --> 00:53:38,380
are all brought into one location he and

1046
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:40,599
I got to talking and he happened to have

1047
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:44,049
an avid interest in UFOs and this was in

1048
00:53:54,539 --> 00:53:51,130
January of 2013 by the time the UFO

1049
00:53:58,620 --> 00:53:54,549
Congress opened and it was a first or

1050
00:54:00,989 --> 00:53:58,630
second week in February we had one set

1051
00:54:03,479 --> 00:54:00,999
up we had ufology press set up with all

1052
00:54:07,859 --> 00:54:03,489
the had over 100 and I want to say

1053
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:07,869
hundred and twenty plus blogs and groups

1054
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:12,130
and radio shows and authors and all

1055
00:54:18,509 --> 00:54:15,249
kinds of stuff it was our example of a

1056
00:54:21,529 --> 00:54:18,519
collaboration within the field even

1057
00:54:24,749 --> 00:54:21,539
though nobody seemed to be collaborating

1058
00:54:27,089 --> 00:54:24,759
hahahahaha and I'm sure you experienced

1059
00:54:29,549 --> 00:54:27,099
this work sure sure sites of different

1060
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:29,559
directions and I was wanting to provide

1061
00:54:34,709 --> 00:54:32,890
at least a virtual example of people

1062
00:54:36,329 --> 00:54:34,719
working working together even though

1063
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:36,339
they were saying all kinds of diversion

1064
00:54:41,189 --> 00:54:39,369
maybe even conflicting things so

1065
00:54:43,289 --> 00:54:41,199
basically yeah you built the template

1066
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:43,299
and people who contribute to the site

1067
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,849
can log-in themselves basically through

1068
00:54:50,699 --> 00:54:47,920
their own account and they can add

1069
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:50,709
articles or links to their own articles

1070
00:54:57,580 --> 00:54:52,329
if they have their own website videos

1071
00:55:01,520 --> 00:54:57,590
shows and so on right and it also has

1072
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:01,530
anytime any of those bloggers or RSS

1073
00:55:07,850 --> 00:55:05,490
feeds post its immediately available so

1074
00:55:11,330 --> 00:55:07,860
this is one source that contains all of

1075
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:11,340
these others now what was funny

1076
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:13,800
I brought Jian Rao who at that time

1077
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:17,520
owned the International UFO Congress and

1078
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:20,940
I showed him the site and he had some

1079
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:22,410
nice things to say about it but then

1080
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:23,970
when endo you're never going to be able

1081
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:26,940
to monetize it blah blah blah what I

1082
00:55:34,550 --> 00:55:29,910
thought was funny is that within 90 days

1083
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:34,560
there were a number of quote-unquote UFO

1084
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:38,160
focused websites that completely

1085
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:41,010
upgraded and many of them tried to

1086
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:43,619
replicate what we were doing so in

1087
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:46,530
effect you know ultimately we raised the

1088
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:49,320
bar even though we still got pushback

1089
00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:52,470
from most of the other players it raised

1090
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,020
the bar for everybody which was just I

1091
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:57,119
know what I was hoping to do you know I

1092
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:58,920
didn't want to wave a flag and say hey

1093
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,660
look at me look at what we're doing this

1094
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:02,640
is all about everybody we're all

1095
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,650
involved here and the sooner we all

1096
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:07,440
learn to work together and look at our

1097
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,310
common needs you know not just with in

1098
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:13,440
ufology but individual and collective

1099
00:56:17,810 --> 00:56:15,080
needs for survival and sustainability

1100
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:17,820
that's where this is taking us and this

1101
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:20,670
is what I feel most of the messages that

1102
00:56:27,970 --> 00:56:23,310
you know the direct contact ease are

1103
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:27,980
also relating that hey guys we need to

1104
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,260
organize and get together and do things

1105
00:56:37,550 --> 00:56:33,480
that are important for all of us and

1106
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:37,560
stop the petty infighting yeah and you

1107
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:38,910
put your money where your mouth is

1108
00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:40,770
because it's a beautiful sight no

1109
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:41,990
question about it

1110
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:45,450
unfortunately you had found it in 2013

1111
00:56:48,620 --> 00:56:47,010
at which point I haven't written too

1112
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,630
many articles since then I've got some

1113
00:56:52,550 --> 00:56:50,160
old ones that I have a member I should

1114
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:52,560
probably it would be okay if I posted

1115
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:54,660
some links to some articles I won't way

1116
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:58,500
back when you know well every piece of

1117
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:01,020
information you may have written it way

1118
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:04,380
back then but does it make it not

1119
00:57:07,310 --> 00:57:05,609
important now

1120
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:07,320
if somebody doesn't know what it's news

1121
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:09,180
to them it's hot news exactly

1122
00:57:16,849 --> 00:57:12,540
any of us from what I can see and I'm

1123
00:57:19,339 --> 00:57:16,859
not the only one by far we were ahead of

1124
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:19,349
the curve it was like okay you guys you

1125
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:22,140
know then here's some information you

1126
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:25,050
distribute it however you can and

1127
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:27,720
initially there was no internet we did

1128
00:57:33,980 --> 00:57:29,609
it through events and things like that

1129
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:33,990
back in the 80s newsletters it was and

1130
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:37,170
hosted a television show that took that

1131
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:40,050
understanding of okay you know what kind

1132
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,650
of fears did we work do we experience

1133
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:45,119
first of all what prompts us to do what

1134
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:46,380
we're doing from both inner and outer

1135
00:57:52,339 --> 00:57:48,750
perspectives then what fears do we

1136
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:52,349
encounter in playing that out in our

1137
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:54,809
personal and professional lives how do

1138
00:57:59,960 --> 00:57:57,450
we work through those fears how do we

1139
00:58:03,230 --> 00:57:59,970
see that in a collective human

1140
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:03,240
experience and ultimately what advice

1141
00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:05,640
can we share looking at that and in

1142
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:09,270
order to have better daily living so I

1143
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:12,089
was doing this back in the nineties and

1144
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:15,960
it's only part of which were interviews

1145
00:58:20,539 --> 00:58:18,960
with contactees you know I had deputy

1146
00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:20,549
public works director in City of Phoenix

1147
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:23,579
the vice provost at ASU West marketing

1148
00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:25,020
director for Western International

1149
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:27,270
University the president of the

1150
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:29,700
Association of Afghans for Arizona so I

1151
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:32,460
have a you know smattering at 120 shows

1152
00:58:39,740 --> 00:58:35,099
over three year period so we explored

1153
00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:39,750
the same motif as far as how do we learn

1154
00:58:49,210 --> 00:58:41,099
to work together and help each other

1155
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,299
I wanted to bring up something that I

1156
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:55,740
know that you're overly familiar with

1157
00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:57,450
I'm just going to touch upon it again

1158
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:00,540
but in a different aspect in the realm

1159
00:59:07,930 --> 00:59:05,250
of ufology consciousness is a topic that

1160
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:07,940
cannot be avoided it's absolutely

1161
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:11,280
important I don't know why people brush

1162
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:13,170
it off I've actually come across people

1163
00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:16,410
who have somehow committed themselves to

1164
00:59:22,790 --> 00:59:19,079
the topic of ufology they're involved in

1165
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:22,800
science and they actually

1166
00:59:30,380 --> 00:59:27,270
actively and admittedly ignore the topic

1167
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:30,390
of consciousness which makes no sense to

1168
00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:32,610
me now I'd like to give you how many

1169
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:34,830
conversations I had with Stan Freeman

1170
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:37,380
about that mm-hmm and you love the man

1171
00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:41,130
dear heart wonderful soul but it was all

1172
00:59:47,330 --> 00:59:44,520
science he would not go into the more

1173
00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:47,340
what he called esoteric stuff but you

1174
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:48,870
know it gives you an opportunity those

1175
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:51,330
that know you yeah yeah he stays out of

1176
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,130
it well yeah I think he maybe he did

1177
00:59:59,780 --> 00:59:56,160
more as he went on as he went on as he

1178
01:00:02,870 --> 00:59:59,790
went on a tiny bit regarding how he just

1179
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,880
dipped his toe into the water of

1180
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:04,740
consciousness regarding the topic of

1181
01:00:10,820 --> 01:00:07,260
ufology I'll mention it and that is when

1182
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:10,830
he did an interview with the gentleman

1183
01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:12,900
I've his name escapes me of course right

1184
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:18,300
now but he actually mentioned how Barney

1185
01:00:26,090 --> 01:00:22,770
Hill was talking about how and et

1186
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:26,100
presence was actually talking to him

1187
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:31,110
through telekinesis and right and so

1188
01:00:34,790 --> 01:00:33,240
that's a form of course I know you know

1189
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:34,800
this I'm not teaching you anything I'm

1190
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:36,900
just letting our listeners know that is

1191
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:39,510
a form of consciousness that's just a

1192
01:00:46,070 --> 01:00:43,290
slice of it oh so Stanton was talking

1193
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:46,080
about that and he believes he believed

1194
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:48,990
Barney Hill and he brought that up as a

1195
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:51,450
point so I know that he did delve into

1196
01:00:55,310 --> 01:00:53,220
it a little bit but you're right he

1197
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:55,320
could have talked about it a lot more

1198
01:00:59,900 --> 01:00:57,660
now the reason why I bring it up to you

1199
01:01:02,120 --> 01:00:59,910
because you're an expert on it in my

1200
01:01:06,050 --> 01:01:02,130
opinion what I was going to ask you is

1201
01:01:09,050 --> 01:01:06,060
at what point did the tide turn for the

1202
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:09,060
ufology community and actually decide to

1203
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:14,430
you start introducing and engaging the

1204
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:17,970
topic of consciousness in into the realm

1205
01:01:23,210 --> 01:01:20,730
of ufology I asked this because we

1206
01:01:25,010 --> 01:01:23,220
interviewed this is just one example of

1207
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:25,020
many we've interviewed so many people

1208
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:27,960
but just one example of many paula

1209
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:32,700
harris who admitted after decades of not

1210
01:01:36,750 --> 01:01:34,530
really getting too deeply involved in

1211
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:36,760
the topic of consciousness

1212
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:38,650
decided to go ahead and engage in it

1213
01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:42,160
full-force recently now why have so many

1214
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:44,500
people whether they're high-profile a

1215
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:47,830
high profile in the ufology community or

1216
01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:50,950
not but have really studied the topic

1217
01:02:01,080 --> 01:01:56,500
for decades ignored it well for one it's

1218
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:01,090
an intangible for another but to answer

1219
01:02:09,330 --> 01:02:05,920
your question of why the movement and

1220
01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:09,340
your considering me an expert I've known

1221
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:12,550
all of these people for decades and you

1222
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:14,290
can imagine the kind of conversations I

1223
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:15,670
have had with them based on our

1224
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:19,570
conversation so far so I among others

1225
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,030
I'm not the only one because I've heard

1226
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:24,660
others have been seeding these

1227
01:02:30,780 --> 01:02:28,240
conversations for decades knowing that

1228
01:02:34,830 --> 01:02:30,790
something is eventually going to take

1229
01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:34,840
place because it has to at some point

1230
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:37,060
the locomotive is going to run out of

1231
01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:40,510
steam and they're going to have to look

1232
01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:43,350
for another energy source right

1233
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:48,700
so it's happening it's been happening

1234
01:02:58,500 --> 01:02:53,530
for the last few years one of the major

1235
01:03:01,560 --> 01:02:58,510
efforts that that's happening is the the

1236
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:01,570
surveys and things that the aggravate

1237
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:03,880
Edgar Mitchell foundation for research

1238
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:06,310
and extraterrestrial encounters began

1239
01:03:13,710 --> 01:03:09,670
and you know I spent a weekend with Ray

1240
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:13,720
at the UFO Congress and 2014 I think it

1241
01:03:20,010 --> 01:03:18,160
was and got to know him the work that

1242
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:20,020
he's doing is nothing short of

1243
01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:23,410
phenomenal yes all the race kind of like

1244
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:26,620
a bull in a china shop interview too

1245
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:28,750
many times I love Ray he said actually

1246
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:31,090
when we just when we had him on recently

1247
01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:35,950
he was just he was so he's not afraid to

1248
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:38,320
speak his mind oh absolutely not

1249
01:03:45,690 --> 01:03:40,450
absolutely not and I admire that about

1250
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:45,700
him so anyway the groups like that

1251
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:48,130
individuals collectives are coming

1252
01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:49,510
together to look

1253
01:03:57,569 --> 01:03:53,710
at the next layer of what this whole

1254
01:04:04,440 --> 01:03:57,579
ufology scene is leading toward and just

1255
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:04,450
like the Kardashev scale it is taking

1256
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:10,210
the baseline information the the nuts

1257
01:04:14,420 --> 01:04:12,310
and bolts if you will kind of like MUFON

1258
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:14,430
has been involved with for decades and

1259
01:04:20,579 --> 01:04:18,450
then moving that into the realms of more

1260
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:20,589
intelligent thinking and questioning

1261
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:24,690
about okay so these things are here

1262
01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:27,520
they're physical things what's behind

1263
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,470
him who what's the intelligence you know

1264
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:31,359
Jim don't let Oso and I had multiple

1265
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:33,550
conversations there's many years ago

1266
01:04:37,260 --> 01:04:36,010
it's like you know we're not interested

1267
01:04:41,099 --> 01:04:37,270
in the craft we're interested in the

1268
01:04:42,839 --> 01:04:41,109
pilots have a conversation you know what

1269
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,849
do you who are you what are you here for

1270
01:04:48,329 --> 01:04:44,079
what's going on you know

1271
01:04:50,910 --> 01:04:48,339
let's party kind of thing because we are

1272
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:50,920
that way that we know there's this

1273
01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:53,710
internal kind of intrinsic sense of

1274
01:05:01,880 --> 01:04:56,140
fearlessness that we have toward these

1275
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:01,890
things even when our ability to

1276
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:05,680
transcend fear is pushed to the max in

1277
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:10,390
some of our encounters right there's all

1278
01:05:12,930 --> 01:05:11,530
that you know even the fear of death

1279
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:12,940
right even though I went through that

1280
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,010
experience I still when I reach those

1281
01:05:19,859 --> 01:05:17,920
places again which I have there's still

1282
01:05:22,260 --> 01:05:19,869
those moments of oh my god I'm going to

1283
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:22,270
die oh there is no yes hey just forget

1284
01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:22,569
it

1285
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:27,220
let go move on right because you know

1286
01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:31,440
even like I forget who it was in early

1287
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:35,260
70s that wrote about the silver cord in

1288
01:05:40,790 --> 01:05:38,770
the OBEs and maybe it was Monroe that

1289
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:40,800
said you know regardless of where you go

1290
01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:43,510
you're always connected and you will

1291
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,270
return oh you mean Bob Monroe of the

1292
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:49,119
Monroe Institute yeah okay yeah I was

1293
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:50,530
gonna mention something to you by the

1294
01:05:56,910 --> 01:05:54,670
way dr. Richard Haines was a retired

1295
01:06:00,270 --> 01:05:56,920
NASA research scientist and former chief

1296
01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:00,280
of space human factors office at Ames

1297
01:06:04,650 --> 01:06:01,960
Research Center

1298
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:04,660
also did I think he did a paper on like

1299
01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:07,930
something like 55,000 anomalous objects

1300
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:11,230
that he covered through his extensive

1301
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:16,630
research regarding research oh thank you

1302
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:18,910
Oh what I was gonna bring to your

1303
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:20,710
attention is something that he said in

1304
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:22,810
an interview and I wanted to get your

1305
01:06:28,349 --> 01:06:26,470
response to it so dr. Richard Haines was

1306
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:28,359
being interviewed by a gentleman and

1307
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:31,920
this is dr. Richard Haines right here

1308
01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:36,010
regarding the topic of ufology that's

1309
01:06:40,020 --> 01:06:38,080
what he said that's my experience in

1310
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:40,030
general you are exactly right I share

1311
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:41,520
your view that it is extremely

1312
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:44,230
multi-dimensional so much so that

1313
01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:46,210
traditional science is really not up to

1314
01:06:50,430 --> 01:06:47,790
the task

1315
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:50,440
now that's an insight that has come

1316
01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:52,570
slowly over the years because I clung to

1317
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:55,150
science as a method a technique to tease

1318
01:06:59,339 --> 01:06:57,250
out these fine points and eventually get

1319
01:07:01,530 --> 01:06:59,349
to the bottom of it but the longer I'm

1320
01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:01,540
looking at the evidence the less I am

1321
01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:03,820
convinced that's the way to go there

1322
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:06,099
certainly as a part of the phenomenon

1323
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:08,530
that will yield to science he's talking

1324
01:07:13,859 --> 01:07:10,690
about youth follow gee but there is a

1325
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:13,869
whole other psychic or psychological

1326
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:16,990
dimension that not even psychology is

1327
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:19,630
going to come close to I can see why a

1328
01:07:24,359 --> 01:07:21,730
lot of my colleagues are in denial about

1329
01:07:25,859 --> 01:07:24,369
this the interviewer then says it's

1330
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:25,869
simply too much to get your mind around

1331
01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:29,410
and then the doctor says it's too much

1332
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:32,500
that's right so what basically dr.

1333
01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:35,410
Richard Haines is saying is science is

1334
01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:38,950
limited it can only go so far then we

1335
01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:42,550
have to rely upon something else what is

1336
01:07:46,530 --> 01:07:44,260
that that we need to rely upon our

1337
01:07:49,609 --> 01:07:46,540
senses consciousness a higher level

1338
01:07:52,740 --> 01:07:49,619
consciousness that you ascended to what

1339
01:07:56,310 --> 01:07:52,750
first of all I think science is still in

1340
01:07:57,930 --> 01:07:56,320
the game right science is based on the

1341
01:08:00,120 --> 01:07:57,940
scientific method being able to

1342
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,130
formulate a hypothesis test it

1343
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:03,520
reevaluate and move on from that

1344
01:08:08,310 --> 01:08:06,070
hypothesis right so that is consistent

1345
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:08,320
throughout anything it's the questions

1346
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:10,750
that we ask and I think what dr. Hine

1347
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:13,720
ism is alluding to is that we aren't

1348
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:14,570
asking the

1349
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:17,870
kinds of questions that lead us in that

1350
01:08:24,430 --> 01:08:20,630
the direction to expand our awareness

1351
01:08:29,140 --> 01:08:24,440
and therefore our knowledge base what

1352
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:29,150
happens in this relaxed better

1353
01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:33,380
Sonnambula sztyc state is an awareness

1354
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:37,910
that's beyond our capacity to think it's

1355
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:41,020
like all of a sudden when you get an

1356
01:08:46,510 --> 01:08:44,510
insight into something it's you

1357
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:46,520
recognize it's not really your thinking

1358
01:08:54,010 --> 01:08:50,000
it just kind of pops in yes right so how

1359
01:08:56,890 --> 01:08:54,020
do you explain that I agree you know but

1360
01:08:58,860 --> 01:08:56,900
yet it happens and it happens over and

1361
01:09:01,930 --> 01:08:58,870
over and over and many scientific

1362
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:01,940
advances have happened because of that

1363
01:09:06,849 --> 01:09:04,850
very thing scientists at Los Alamos you

1364
01:09:09,130 --> 01:09:06,859
know they first realized that they're

1365
01:09:15,099 --> 01:09:09,140
thinking about their experiments

1366
01:09:17,950 --> 01:09:15,109
actually affected them huge okay so

1367
01:09:21,270 --> 01:09:17,960
there again you know the it goes back

1368
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:21,280
into the attention intention and action

1369
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:24,650
that then affects our environment and

1370
01:09:32,289 --> 01:09:29,210
that we can somehow read that which we

1371
01:09:34,750 --> 01:09:32,299
then can incorporate you know what we

1372
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:34,760
might call the Clara census right and

1373
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,910
okay so quantum mysticism I'm just gonna

1374
01:09:47,260 --> 01:09:44,960
bring this up it's a set of metaphysical

1375
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:47,270
beliefs and associated practices that

1376
01:09:51,010 --> 01:09:48,500
seek to relate consciousness

1377
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:51,020
intelligence spirituality or mystical

1378
01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:53,330
worldviews to the identical ideas of

1379
01:09:57,790 --> 01:09:55,190
quantum mechanics and its

1380
01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:57,800
interpretations quantum mysticism is

1381
01:10:00,880 --> 01:09:59,270
considered by most scientists and

1382
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:00,890
philosophers to be pseudoscience or

1383
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:02,510
quackery what I was going to ask you is

1384
01:10:08,650 --> 01:10:05,780
this backlash let's say that let's just

1385
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:08,660
say quantum mysticism is fine we're

1386
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:12,800
we're okay with it it's valid do you

1387
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:15,820
believe that quantum medicine mysticism

1388
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:18,530
which is a set of metaphysical beliefs

1389
01:10:22,030 --> 01:10:20,330
and associated practices that seek to

1390
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:22,040
relate consciousness intelligence

1391
01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:24,770
spirituality or mystical world views to

1392
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:26,390
the ideas married to the ideas of

1393
01:10:30,990 --> 01:10:27,790
quantum mechanics

1394
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:31,000
and it's interpretations have any basis

1395
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:34,030
of reality or correlation to

1396
01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:36,610
consciousness the topic of consciousness

1397
01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:40,270
and ufology can you can you connect the

1398
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:41,830
dots on that or no

1399
01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:45,040
hence the tail end of the subtitle for

1400
01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:47,560
my book the congruence of science and

1401
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:49,720
spirituality that's why I'm bringing all

1402
01:10:56,850 --> 01:10:53,230
this up yep absolutely

1403
01:10:59,820 --> 01:10:56,860
you know regardless of how we try to

1404
01:11:05,010 --> 01:10:59,830
explain or the terminologies the

1405
01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:05,020
semantics it's far too easy to get lost

1406
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:08,500
in the words and our interpretations of

1407
01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:14,400
them I'm a great friend that's he was a

1408
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:17,200
past president of the American

1409
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:18,790
Association for alternative dispute

1410
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:20,620
resolution he's also an Aikido

1411
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:24,690
instructor he does a lot of high-level

1412
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,000
mediations and negotiations what he had

1413
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:30,480
presented to me years ago was that

1414
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:34,380
conflict is never really conflict it's

1415
01:11:39,930 --> 01:11:37,780
miscommunication the parties have

1416
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,940
different dictionaries of which they're

1417
01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:41,920
trying to beat each other over the head

1418
01:11:50,190 --> 01:11:46,990
with instead of trying to understand so

1419
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:50,200
as a communicator as an educator as a

1420
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:52,210
presenter as an interviewee and

1421
01:12:02,760 --> 01:11:58,320
interviewer my job is to listen ask

1422
01:12:05,490 --> 01:12:02,770
questions find congruence relate to

1423
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:05,500
things that are similar pull out the

1424
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:08,260
details that sound like they're saying

1425
01:12:17,780 --> 01:12:11,910
the same thing a little differently and

1426
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:17,790
expose them so that we can go oh yeah

1427
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:21,880
right rather than argue which is

1428
01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:25,690
inherently what happens because we don't

1429
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:29,320
do the back end of understanding the

1430
01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:31,840
other person's dictionary first yeah we

1431
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:34,150
waste a lot of time on traps of language

1432
01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:35,290
arguments that's for sure

1433
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:37,180
right and I found that a lot a lot of

1434
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:41,170
times because my family we have kind of

1435
01:12:45,779 --> 01:12:42,280
a separation event

1436
01:12:47,609 --> 01:12:45,789
lecturers and academics I know people I

1437
01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:47,619
know folks that are academics will take

1438
01:12:52,979 --> 01:12:49,960
that as an offense to them okay I'm I

1439
01:12:55,229 --> 01:12:52,989
know I'm sure your intellectual okay but

1440
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:55,239
still there's still a separation my

1441
01:13:00,810 --> 01:12:58,150
family of intellectuals and academics

1442
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:00,820
folks that are very bookish and stick to

1443
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,480
their reading and everything that they

1444
01:13:08,879 --> 01:13:06,880
feel that they've gleaned from all the

1445
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,889
books they've read and then we have

1446
01:13:12,299 --> 01:13:10,480
another set of intellectuals in my

1447
01:13:14,899 --> 01:13:12,309
family where they kind of border on

1448
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:14,909
philosophy and they like to just

1449
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:17,409
conjecture and speculate a lot of times

1450
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:20,409
and go beyond the borders of stuff what

1451
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:22,690
I was going to ask you is do you feel

1452
01:13:28,770 --> 01:13:25,840
like folks that are involved in science

1453
01:13:33,180 --> 01:13:28,780
such as scientists on down are ever

1454
01:13:35,939 --> 01:13:33,190
going to go ahead and just relax and get

1455
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:35,949
involved in this topic of ufology just

1456
01:13:40,649 --> 01:13:37,630
like miss you miss you

1457
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:40,659
ikkaku went ahead and so boldly did

1458
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:42,570
recently

1459
01:13:51,859 --> 01:13:47,110
well there's yet to be a chill pill

1460
01:13:58,879 --> 01:13:51,869
devised that's good enough to do that

1461
01:14:05,040 --> 01:13:58,889
however excuse me it's coming I see it

1462
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:05,050
look at what meat you just did now now

1463
01:14:12,930 --> 01:14:07,270
whether Tyson's going to come along or

1464
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:12,940
Grayson down the other grass Tyson yeah

1465
01:14:17,339 --> 01:14:15,369
yeah yeah yeah I was good well one thing

1466
01:14:19,890 --> 01:14:17,349
I want to say let me jump in here really

1467
01:14:22,770 --> 01:14:19,900
quick and say something about Kaku he

1468
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:22,780
has the scientific chops well yeah he's

1469
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:24,520
got a very high profile he's a very

1470
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:28,150
famous guy but he also is one of the

1471
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:30,550
early adopters of string theory has

1472
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:33,550
written extensively about that has 70

1473
01:14:38,939 --> 01:14:36,159
papers I believe published so when it

1474
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:38,949
comes to science and and I don't mean

1475
01:14:45,089 --> 01:14:42,400
just ordinary science I mean just having

1476
01:14:49,229 --> 01:14:45,099
the degree and working in the field for

1477
01:14:52,589 --> 01:14:49,239
example I believe Tyson is very involved

1478
01:14:55,020 --> 01:14:52,599
in talking about science obviously he's

1479
01:14:55,950 --> 01:14:55,030
a scientist but he's not been involved

1480
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:55,960
in writing doing

1481
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:57,850
a lot of research he manages the Hayden

1482
01:15:02,820 --> 01:15:00,880
Planetarium so that's that's kind of his

1483
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:02,830
end of things he's as much an

1484
01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:05,230
administrator and a communicator as he

1485
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:06,550
is he is a scientist

1486
01:15:11,459 --> 01:15:09,130
Kaku on the other hand has more

1487
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:11,469
scientific chops and I think I might get

1488
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:14,560
more people's attention least I hope I'm

1489
01:15:20,370 --> 01:15:16,650
hoping that's the case

1490
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:20,380
absolutely and you're precisely right

1491
01:15:30,750 --> 01:15:27,000
because of his acumen and his tenure and

1492
01:15:32,670 --> 01:15:30,760
his notoriety people are going to pay

1493
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:32,680
attention what he just said this last

1494
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:36,730
weekend is going to ripple for days

1495
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:41,290
weeks months maybe even years throughout

1496
01:15:50,130 --> 01:15:45,850
the ethology community communities in

1497
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:50,140
her like people are really slow to move

1498
01:15:55,070 --> 01:15:52,780
from one place to another in mass there

1499
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:55,080
are early adopters there are pioneers in

1500
01:16:07,050 --> 01:15:58,960
every field and you know the perfect

1501
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:07,060
example look at what Howard Turner did

1502
01:16:13,650 --> 01:16:11,650
with the multiple intelligences that he

1503
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:13,660
discovered in nineteen and wrote about

1504
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:17,830
1982 they still aren't fully implemented

1505
01:16:22,530 --> 01:16:19,410
in educational systems

1506
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:22,540
despite the value that they've been

1507
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:26,770
given I think it's important for our

1508
01:16:30,690 --> 01:16:28,360
audience to understand the gravity of

1509
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:30,700
what sin is saying here is that has been

1510
01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:33,310
involved in the topic of ufology for

1511
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:36,430
decades he has seen the comings and

1512
01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:41,620
goings sort of like a tide of from the

1513
01:16:47,070 --> 01:16:44,500
ocean of folks coming and going in this

1514
01:16:49,709 --> 01:16:47,080
in this topic and also the topics

1515
01:16:51,810 --> 01:16:49,719
themselves changing and how deep people

1516
01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:51,820
want to go and how deep they don't want

1517
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:55,030
to go and it's just interesting to hear

1518
01:17:00,540 --> 01:16:57,280
you talk because you're also at a point

1519
01:17:04,580 --> 01:17:00,550
where you are restoring these topics so

1520
01:17:07,650 --> 01:17:04,590
I'm glad I'm able to actually kind of

1521
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,660
kind of interrogate you about it and ask

1522
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:09,280
you you know all these questions so

1523
01:17:11,710 --> 01:17:09,890
thank you

1524
01:17:13,480 --> 01:17:11,720
much for having allowed us to do that

1525
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:13,490
yeah now let me jump in here for one

1526
01:17:17,710 --> 01:17:16,310
question I did watch your interview with

1527
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:17,720
it

1528
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:26,330
simulation hypothesis that sort of thing

1529
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:29,270
I think it explains a lot and I wondered

1530
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:31,130
if you could tell our folks what you

1531
01:17:34,330 --> 01:17:32,690
think about all that do you think

1532
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,340
there's anything to it so you talked

1533
01:17:39,310 --> 01:17:36,640
about Tom Campbell's work and the

1534
01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:39,320
simulation and now we're living through

1535
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:41,030
a computer simulation The Matrix

1536
01:17:46,030 --> 01:17:43,310
whatever you want to call it well that's

1537
01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:46,040
that's a way of looking at it because

1538
01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:49,220
we're still limited like I said before

1539
01:17:56,740 --> 01:17:53,180
when you look at how we are able to

1540
01:18:01,530 --> 01:17:56,750
through our intention and attention and

1541
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:01,540
actions affect our environment and

1542
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:05,110
essentially connect with the

1543
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:07,490
synchronicities that are always there

1544
01:18:11,380 --> 01:18:09,170
that we don't necessarily recognize

1545
01:18:16,690 --> 01:18:11,390
until we have those eyes open

1546
01:18:19,950 --> 01:18:16,700
right the that is an example of how this

1547
01:18:23,050 --> 01:18:19,960
matrix or the Avatar system actually

1548
01:18:26,260 --> 01:18:23,060
works and that this is what the quantum

1549
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:26,270
physicists have posited as the activity

1550
01:18:33,550 --> 01:18:30,050
of the wave form becoming a particle

1551
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:33,560
because we are indeed observing it which

1552
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:38,110
means we are in effect creating it so

1553
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:41,510
this is what tom is saying is that we

1554
01:18:50,350 --> 01:18:45,490
actually have that kind of capacity as

1555
01:18:53,860 --> 01:18:50,360
intellectual as human beings to become

1556
01:18:57,580 --> 01:18:53,870
that involved so self-aware of how we

1557
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,590
think and feel and perceive and it

1558
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:00,800
sounds almost like oh my god that is

1559
01:19:09,370 --> 01:19:05,090
just so much work right it's like any

1560
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:09,380
discipline martial arts or sports or any

1561
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:13,910
kind of even academia --nz you know

1562
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:16,250
there's a discipline to doing the work

1563
01:19:22,330 --> 01:19:19,520
and how do we expect to make any

1564
01:19:22,959 --> 01:19:22,340
progress if we're not willing to do the

1565
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:22,969
work

1566
01:19:28,209 --> 01:19:26,170
you know Americans especially what look

1567
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:28,219
enlightenment they want to drive into a

1568
01:19:32,590 --> 01:19:30,260
McDonald's get their sandwich move on

1569
01:19:34,420 --> 01:19:32,600
and have everything they need and be but

1570
01:19:36,820 --> 01:19:34,430
you know all hunky-dory about it well

1571
01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:36,830
that's just pretty shallow and

1572
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:40,910
self-serving and empty as far as the

1573
01:19:46,209 --> 01:19:44,930
kind of experience that we can have by

1574
01:19:48,850 --> 01:19:46,219
actually paying attention to guys like

1575
01:19:50,110 --> 01:19:48,860
Tom Campbell and Robert Monroe and you

1576
01:19:54,459 --> 01:19:50,120
know and meet you caught you

1577
01:19:56,350 --> 01:19:54,469
ikkaku yeah I wanted I wanted to bring

1578
01:19:58,030 --> 01:19:56,360
up us something real quick I wanted to

1579
01:19:58,810 --> 01:19:58,040
correct myself earlier and then ask you

1580
01:20:04,030 --> 01:19:58,820
a question

1581
01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:04,040
I I titled friedhof Capra as a high

1582
01:20:09,370 --> 01:20:06,980
energy physicist I meant theorist what I

1583
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:09,380
was going to ask you as do you think

1584
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:12,560
it's possible then the reason why some

1585
01:20:19,209 --> 01:20:16,610
folks that are high profile in the

1586
01:20:21,610 --> 01:20:19,219
ufology community for decades did not

1587
01:20:24,490 --> 01:20:21,620
get involved in talking about energy or

1588
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:24,500
consciousness and marrying it to the

1589
01:20:31,150 --> 01:20:26,810
topic of ufology because they did not

1590
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:31,160
want to get accused of acting new-agey

1591
01:20:37,150 --> 01:20:35,510
so to speak or getting in trouble so I

1592
01:20:40,570 --> 01:20:37,160
think that's the main reason why is

1593
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:40,580
because New Age New Agers had always

1594
01:20:46,209 --> 01:20:43,520
been thought about being all woowoo not

1595
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:46,219
grounded you know so spirits he evolved

1596
01:20:52,150 --> 01:20:48,770
it to no earthly good and and that kind

1597
01:20:54,729 --> 01:20:52,160
of plantation and that's probably true

1598
01:20:57,729 --> 01:20:54,739
you know I when I first sent my TV show

1599
01:20:59,320 --> 01:20:57,739
back in the 90s the guy that invited me

1600
01:21:01,120 --> 01:20:59,330
to do it it said hey you got all the

1601
01:21:03,100 --> 01:21:01,130
contacts you know we can do all kinds of

1602
01:21:04,780 --> 01:21:03,110
New Age stuff and I'm like I do not want

1603
01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:04,790
to call it New Age by any stretch of the

1604
01:21:11,410 --> 01:21:07,940
imagination because it will tank us

1605
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:11,420
immediately so we came up with one world

1606
01:21:17,380 --> 01:21:13,790
which is kind of a fitting title yes

1607
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:17,390
however you know here I was I was

1608
01:21:23,170 --> 01:21:19,070
working in an aerospace industry and

1609
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:23,180
then as birth control coordinator in

1610
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:24,410
charge of seven million dollars a month

1611
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:26,449
and simultaneously putting together a

1612
01:21:33,550 --> 01:21:29,510
one largest at first metaphysical

1613
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:33,560
conferences in Phoenix in 1988 got

1614
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:36,080
interviewed on the radio didn't realize

1615
01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:36,840
you know I'm thinking okay

1616
01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:38,940
people are going to be open and we'll

1617
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:41,550
talk about stuff and ask questions about

1618
01:21:48,170 --> 01:21:45,390
the event itself and I was being

1619
01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:48,180
interviewed on then the largest AM

1620
01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:51,960
station KTAR in the southwest the United

1621
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:55,860
States and it didn't occur to me how

1622
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:00,120
much of a red state Arizona is and the

1623
01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:02,070
questions I got were never about the

1624
01:22:05,540 --> 01:22:03,630
conference it was always about my

1625
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:05,550
personal belief systems and who gave me

1626
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,110
the right to say this or that you know

1627
01:22:17,090 --> 01:22:12,000
just attacks well you were ready for

1628
01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:17,100
that though absolutely I didn't expect

1629
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:18,720
it but you know I'm the kind of guy say

1630
01:22:22,670 --> 01:22:21,090
hey look I understand you know and I'm

1631
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:22,680
just trying to share some information

1632
01:22:26,810 --> 01:22:24,780
here and you don't have to believe it

1633
01:22:28,190 --> 01:22:26,820
but you know everybody has the right to

1634
01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:28,200
think on their own and decide for

1635
01:22:32,570 --> 01:22:29,790
themselves and experience their lives

1636
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:32,580
and in any way they so choose as long as

1637
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,060
it doesn't harm another so I I have a

1638
01:22:40,370 --> 01:22:38,880
suspicion and a conspiracy theory that I

1639
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,380
like to share with you that I can't

1640
01:22:46,450 --> 01:22:41,760
prove okay

1641
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:46,460
and that is I believe it's possible that

1642
01:22:51,740 --> 01:22:49,250
intelligence agencies around the world

1643
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:51,750
whether it be for first second or third

1644
01:23:02,720 --> 01:22:56,250
world governments actually suspect that

1645
01:23:06,620 --> 01:23:02,730
there are consciousness aspects to the

1646
01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:06,630
ufology phenomenon and I'm not talking

1647
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:09,870
I'm just letting my other audience

1648
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:12,300
members know who are newbies to this

1649
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:15,360
topic I'm not talking about unidentified

1650
01:23:20,830 --> 01:23:17,820
flying objects that are drones I'm

1651
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:20,840
talking about ET craft or et

1652
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:23,820
civilizations here that that these

1653
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:26,010
intelligence agencies have already

1654
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:28,860
correlated consciousness to this topic

1655
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:32,250
that's my suspicion what is your take on

1656
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:32,670
that

1657
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,930
why wouldn't they I agree so why would

1658
01:23:41,540 --> 01:23:39,120
they not I know I feel like I know the

1659
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,550
answer but what is your reaction why

1660
01:23:49,310 --> 01:23:42,960
would they not share that with the

1661
01:23:51,149 --> 01:23:49,320
public governments inherently are there

1662
01:23:54,839 --> 01:23:51,159
to protect people and

1663
01:23:58,890 --> 01:23:54,849
they hold their duties in sacred order

1664
01:24:02,549 --> 01:23:58,900
and generally will not allow information

1665
01:24:05,009 --> 01:24:02,559
to leak that could cause mass panic and

1666
01:24:07,949 --> 01:24:05,019
with the fear-based belief systems

1667
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:07,959
present on the planet in the it is

1668
01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:10,030
highly likely that that kind of

1669
01:24:17,179 --> 01:24:13,900
information will cause more reactions

1670
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:17,189
than responses and they won't be good I

1671
01:24:21,299 --> 01:24:19,570
said do you think that's still the case

1672
01:24:23,549 --> 01:24:21,309
even after what we've seen over the last

1673
01:24:26,189 --> 01:24:23,559
couple years where there is a lot more

1674
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:26,199
attention to the UFO subject yet at the

1675
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:28,840
same time it's it's a penetrating we're

1676
01:24:33,390 --> 01:24:31,449
all into it we're watching every bit

1677
01:24:36,179 --> 01:24:33,400
that comes out but maybe the general

1678
01:24:39,149 --> 01:24:36,189
public not so much think about the

1679
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:39,159
percentage of people that are actually

1680
01:24:45,929 --> 01:24:42,610
involved with the topic in comparison to

1681
01:24:50,419 --> 01:24:45,939
all others on the planet we're lucky if

1682
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:50,429
we are 1/10 of a half a percent maybe

1683
01:24:55,859 --> 01:24:53,679
right so even though we are

1684
01:24:58,109 --> 01:24:55,869
forward-thinking maybe even thought

1685
01:25:01,529 --> 01:24:58,119
leaders in the field and the discussions

1686
01:25:05,819 --> 01:25:01,539
that we're having there's still people

1687
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:05,829
that have no idea don't care don't want

1688
01:25:11,909 --> 01:25:07,840
to know all they want to do is have

1689
01:25:18,509 --> 01:25:11,919
their burgers and fries and live their

1690
01:25:21,060 --> 01:25:18,519
lives and some walk but of a safe way we

1691
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:21,070
in America experience that for the most

1692
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:25,689
part many other countries do not by any

1693
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:28,209
stretch of the imagination experienced

1694
01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:30,130
the kind of lifestyles that we have here

1695
01:25:38,209 --> 01:25:33,780
in America and foreign governments

1696
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:38,219
you know the getting back into the the

1697
01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:40,719
consciousness and the communication and

1698
01:25:45,839 --> 01:25:43,150
how might that take place and the

1699
01:25:49,109 --> 01:25:45,849
Kardashev scale and the comment on the

1700
01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:49,119
radio frequencies that you are used to

1701
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:50,860
communicate

1702
01:26:00,250 --> 01:25:55,370
the level of frequencies that many

1703
01:26:02,350 --> 01:26:00,260
people let me put it this way when folks

1704
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:02,360
are engaged in a contact experience and

1705
01:26:09,870 --> 01:26:05,840
it even may cross most if not all of the

1706
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:09,880
lines of the modalities there is a

1707
01:26:17,410 --> 01:26:14,960
background frequency that if one has the

1708
01:26:22,630 --> 01:26:17,420
ability to just stay present and quiet

1709
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:22,640
it's there always and at times it

1710
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:28,010
escalates in frequency it rises it as it

1711
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:31,250
as you move along that thread of

1712
01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:33,500
consciousness that takes you from your

1713
01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:37,060
own physicality up to the recognition of

1714
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:40,670
universality so to speak you're finally

1715
01:26:45,220 --> 01:26:43,010
able to release all of it right and

1716
01:26:46,510 --> 01:26:45,230
folks can sort of seek that out if they

1717
01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:46,520
choose to they don't have to sit around

1718
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:48,440
and wait for it I would think that

1719
01:26:52,690 --> 01:26:50,360
meditation there'd be some other

1720
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:52,700
techniques to try to access this can you

1721
01:26:56,650 --> 01:26:55,370
talk a little bit about that there there

1722
01:27:00,640 --> 01:26:56,660
are all kinds of ways you know one of

1723
01:27:04,030 --> 01:27:00,650
the the correlated factors that I found

1724
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:04,040
most recently are threefold and they all

1725
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:07,250
involve nine aspects the the first is

1726
01:27:11,170 --> 01:27:09,260
the nine planes of the multi multi plane

1727
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:11,180
awareness technique developed by William

1728
01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:15,890
swagger the 1950s the second is the nine

1729
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:19,160
Solfeggio tones in the third and most

1730
01:27:25,630 --> 01:27:22,370
recent is the discoveries of Howard

1731
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:25,640
neppy and our Vernon Eppie and Edward

1732
01:27:31,530 --> 01:27:28,010
close and their this is gonna sound

1733
01:27:34,180 --> 01:27:31,540
really bizarre triatic

1734
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:34,190
dimensional distinction particular

1735
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:37,040
paradigm which is a big word and

1736
01:27:42,190 --> 01:27:39,710
basically what they say is that

1737
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:42,200
consciousness space and time are

1738
01:27:48,130 --> 01:27:46,010
tethered across nine dimensions so here

1739
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:48,140
we have nine planes of consciousness

1740
01:27:53,730 --> 01:27:51,410
nine Solfeggio tones nine dimensions

1741
01:27:57,810 --> 01:27:53,740
that are all interlinked and that is

1742
01:28:01,240 --> 01:27:57,820
that correlates to my direct experience

1743
01:28:03,530 --> 01:28:01,250
so I can anchor in that as being true

1744
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:03,540
for me now that doesn't limit it to

1745
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:05,610
nine dimensions because there's more

1746
01:28:12,170 --> 01:28:07,170
that's just in the bandwidth that we

1747
01:28:14,180 --> 01:28:12,180
occupy as physical beings beyond that we

1748
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,190
don't know yet we're still figuring out

1749
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:17,520
what this is however one of the things I

1750
01:28:24,740 --> 01:28:20,940
was able to do was to record a multi

1751
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:24,750
playing awareness technique guided

1752
01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:27,090
meditation for lack of a better that

1753
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:30,360
incorporates the Solfeggio stones as

1754
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:34,970
well as the neural beats that Tom and

1755
01:28:41,090 --> 01:28:37,650
Bob Monroe used for their early work and

1756
01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:41,100
that is on YouTube you can or even just

1757
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:45,900
google the term multi-plane you can - it

1758
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:49,860
or not and so physio and you'll see a

1759
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:53,370
video that comes up that it's about an

1760
01:28:58,400 --> 01:28:56,010
hour and a half long so that's what's

1761
01:29:00,920 --> 01:28:58,410
something that an individual normally

1762
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:00,930
it's it's used a facilitator a trained

1763
01:29:06,650 --> 01:29:04,320
facilitator does it and I took the leap

1764
01:29:08,570 --> 01:29:06,660
because nobody else had to actually

1765
01:29:10,850 --> 01:29:08,580
record it and put it out there to make

1766
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:10,860
it available for those explorers that

1767
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:13,320
want to take advantage of it it may work

1768
01:29:20,420 --> 01:29:18,420
for you it may not okay and I'm looking

1769
01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:20,430
at it right here I'll put the link in

1770
01:29:24,230 --> 01:29:22,110
the description of the video when I get

1771
01:29:26,540 --> 01:29:24,240
it uploaded but it is multi-plane

1772
01:29:28,970 --> 01:29:26,550
awareness with Solfeggio frequencies and

1773
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:28,980
I'll give that a listen now hopefully

1774
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,920
tonight that no guarantees but within

1775
01:29:35,690 --> 01:29:33,360
the next couple days for sure I'll give

1776
01:29:39,650 --> 01:29:35,700
this a listen because yeah I'm very much

1777
01:29:41,630 --> 01:29:39,660
into these types of different different

1778
01:29:43,490 --> 01:29:41,640
tapes different recordings and the

1779
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:43,500
different Solfeggio tones is a very

1780
01:29:47,330 --> 01:29:45,690
interesting got very very good for

1781
01:29:49,310 --> 01:29:47,340
brainstorming that type of thing so that

1782
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,320
that we might have provided some self

1783
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,120
help to our listeners today so that's a

1784
01:29:55,250 --> 01:29:53,040
good one it's you bring up one last

1785
01:29:58,990 --> 01:29:55,260
thing just so it's kind of important

1786
01:30:01,640 --> 01:29:59,000
regarding the idea consciousness and

1787
01:30:05,410 --> 01:30:01,650
ufology but also just consciousness as a

1788
01:30:09,980 --> 01:30:05,420
topic and of itself one reason why

1789
01:30:13,490 --> 01:30:09,990
quantum the topic of quantum anything is

1790
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:13,500
brought up regarding the topic of

1791
01:30:19,370 --> 01:30:16,770
ufology and not

1792
01:30:22,820 --> 01:30:19,380
not just physics like I mean just the

1793
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:22,830
standard the classic model of it is is

1794
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:25,770
because for example Einstein and other

1795
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:29,400
contributors to the theory of relativity

1796
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:32,100
they didn't inject the role of

1797
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:35,130
consciousness but they they did talk

1798
01:30:40,730 --> 01:30:37,920
about the role of the observer so in

1799
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:40,740
relativity the the term coordinate

1800
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:42,810
system may be substituted for observer

1801
01:30:46,940 --> 01:30:45,330
without losing the value of the general

1802
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:46,950
theory of relativity

1803
01:30:53,170 --> 01:30:50,070
so because they didn't use the role of

1804
01:30:56,930 --> 01:30:53,180
consciousness I'm sorry Einstein didn't

1805
01:30:59,660 --> 01:30:56,940
regarding the topic of of the theory of

1806
01:31:04,730 --> 01:30:59,670
relativity he didn't need to and it

1807
01:31:08,830 --> 01:31:04,740
didn't devalue his theory at all of the

1808
01:31:11,630 --> 01:31:08,840
in quantum theory came around and that

1809
01:31:16,850 --> 01:31:11,640
suggested that consciousness plays a

1810
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:16,860
prominent role regarding that topic and

1811
01:31:25,310 --> 01:31:19,890
so that's why quantum theory is brought

1812
01:31:26,780 --> 01:31:25,320
up more regarding the topic of ufology I

1813
01:31:29,660 --> 01:31:26,790
hope that makes sense

1814
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:29,670
I'm trying to make it as some zoning as

1815
01:31:34,090 --> 01:31:31,980
possible and I knows I'm not great at

1816
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:34,100
explaining things you know all the time

1817
01:31:43,820 --> 01:31:40,800
yes you know you do very well kind of a

1818
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:43,830
complicated topic to bring up but there

1819
01:31:50,670 --> 01:31:46,530
was no need to inject the idea of

1820
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:50,680
consciousness in the papers that I

1821
01:31:54,620 --> 01:31:52,400
[Music]

1822
01:31:56,180 --> 01:31:54,630
theory of relativity what's like the

1823
01:32:04,670 --> 01:31:56,190
cart starving the coordinate system you

1824
01:32:06,770 --> 01:32:04,680
just brought this up he didn't have to

1825
01:32:08,690 --> 01:32:06,780
relate to his distance from the ceiling

1826
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:08,700
hit the thoughts in his mind that was

1827
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:11,850
going on you know beyond watching the

1828
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:14,010
flies and trying to figure out okay how

1829
01:32:17,660 --> 01:32:16,530
can I locate them right Rene Descartes

1830
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:17,670
Yeah right

1831
01:32:25,730 --> 01:32:22,410
so once quantum the the whole quantum

1832
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:25,740
thing is yet very similar to this only

1833
01:32:29,570 --> 01:32:27,510
we're actually looking at okay what's

1834
01:32:29,950 --> 01:32:29,580
our point of view where are we looking

1835
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:29,960
for

1836
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,690
how are we observing it right are we

1837
01:32:36,610 --> 01:32:34,880
observing and what's interesting and

1838
01:32:38,350 --> 01:32:36,620
I've started interject but and I I do

1839
01:32:39,790 --> 01:32:38,360
want to get your response to this and

1840
01:32:41,950 --> 01:32:39,800
then we'll wind down

1841
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,960
but it was gonna say something I know is

1842
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:43,520
obvious to you but I want to bring up to

1843
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:48,560
our audience anyway and that is the the

1844
01:32:54,250 --> 01:32:51,890
idea of an observer is really important

1845
01:32:57,580 --> 01:32:54,260
obviously that's like an understatement

1846
01:33:01,620 --> 01:32:57,590
regarding the theory of relativity

1847
01:33:04,930 --> 01:33:01,630
now now talking about consciousness

1848
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:04,940
obviously is important yes that's just

1849
01:33:10,180 --> 01:33:08,090
as important a consciousness is sort of

1850
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:10,190
like takes on the role of what observer

1851
01:33:14,950 --> 01:33:12,170
does for relatives like sentient beings

1852
01:33:17,020 --> 01:33:14,960
are aware that they're thinking right so

1853
01:33:19,540 --> 01:33:17,030
now what's interesting is the observer

1854
01:33:21,310 --> 01:33:19,550
in quantum theory actually and I know

1855
01:33:23,020 --> 01:33:21,320
you know this again I know you're you

1856
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:23,030
know this actually affects the

1857
01:33:28,810 --> 01:33:25,250
experiments if there's experiment to be

1858
01:33:30,910 --> 01:33:28,820
had so so and that wasn't really talked

1859
01:33:33,580 --> 01:33:30,920
about in the theory of relativity too

1860
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:33,590
much as so much as quantum theory here

1861
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:35,810
the observer is part of the experiment

1862
01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:37,490
okay so let's take it to the next level

1863
01:33:42,580 --> 01:33:40,360
yeah yes absolutely the observer is

1864
01:33:43,150 --> 01:33:42,590
critical because there but there's

1865
01:33:45,580 --> 01:33:43,160
threefold

1866
01:33:50,820 --> 01:33:45,590
okay there's the participant there's the

1867
01:33:57,730 --> 01:33:50,830
observer and then there's the source

1868
01:34:02,740 --> 01:33:57,740
that's providing the experience right

1869
01:34:08,350 --> 01:34:02,750
exactly so and that we we understand as

1870
01:34:11,950 --> 01:34:08,360
being undefinable as of yet and yet we

1871
01:34:14,650 --> 01:34:11,960
know it's there because we're observing

1872
01:34:17,470 --> 01:34:14,660
the effects of what's there some people

1873
01:34:20,770 --> 01:34:17,480
want to call it divine will or you know

1874
01:34:23,470 --> 01:34:20,780
some such things and even become to the

1875
01:34:26,530 --> 01:34:23,480
point of being deterministic well as

1876
01:34:29,410 --> 01:34:26,540
long as you know reality is malleable

1877
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:29,420
based on how we observe it and there may

1878
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:33,410
be you know gamut or some parameters of

1879
01:34:37,540 --> 01:34:35,330
the potential outcomes given a certain

1880
01:34:40,420 --> 01:34:37,550
situation but we still have choice in

1881
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:40,430
them so the the idea of it being fully

1882
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:42,210
deterministic

1883
01:34:49,250 --> 01:34:45,570
may not fit there's an evolutionary

1884
01:34:52,910 --> 01:34:49,260
process of realms of behavior that we

1885
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:52,920
have from the point of ok where we don't

1886
01:34:54,530 --> 01:34:54,210
have food or water what are we going to

1887
01:34:57,709 --> 01:34:54,540
do

1888
01:34:59,120 --> 01:34:57,719
right okay now we got food and water

1889
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,130
we don't have clothing what are we gonna

1890
01:35:02,660 --> 01:35:01,199
do okay now we've got food and clothing

1891
01:35:04,340 --> 01:35:02,670
and we're looking for shelter what are

1892
01:35:06,110 --> 01:35:04,350
we gonna do and then it gets to the

1893
01:35:10,010 --> 01:35:06,120
point where okay now we've got all of

1894
01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:10,020
that and we're comfortable or safe we

1895
01:35:16,970 --> 01:35:13,980
have you know city services and they're

1896
01:35:20,209 --> 01:35:16,980
everything that we need as far as food

1897
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:20,219
clothing shelter medical care all of

1898
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,110
those kinds of things so that we're safe

1899
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:24,480
and then we can now look to different

1900
01:35:31,450 --> 01:35:27,840
things to think about and maybe how that

1901
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:31,460
was all created or why it was created or

1902
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:35,130
you know who is responsible or you know

1903
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:38,239
how did I contribute to it or did I

1904
01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:40,770
contribute am i a taker and my a giver

1905
01:35:48,649 --> 01:35:43,080
you know all these kinds of different

1906
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:48,659
things that we can observe ourselves in

1907
01:35:54,140 --> 01:35:52,110
that place and then because we're able

1908
01:35:56,270 --> 01:35:54,150
to observe then we become aware and

1909
01:35:59,720 --> 01:35:56,280
we're able to make whatever changes are

1910
01:36:03,229 --> 01:35:59,730
necessary in order to hopefully become

1911
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:03,239
more congruent with some semblance of

1912
01:36:08,180 --> 01:36:06,480
harmony in our environment now you would

1913
01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:08,190
mention behavior really quick and nod

1914
01:36:12,649 --> 01:36:10,620
yeah we need to wrap this up Bob with

1915
01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:12,659
this one but you and dad mentioned

1916
01:36:17,689 --> 01:36:15,510
behavior and what I see in these UFO

1917
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:17,699
sightings basically it's been pretty

1918
01:36:22,459 --> 01:36:20,489
consistent going back almost 3/4 of a

1919
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:22,469
century now from different reports we've

1920
01:36:26,959 --> 01:36:24,449
gotten from pilots and the like where

1921
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:26,969
we're seeing you know these UFOs appear

1922
01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:29,850
Here I am Here I am come chase me they

1923
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:32,460
do and then the UFOs kind of put the

1924
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:35,760
scene you know as fast as they can which

1925
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:37,290
is a lot faster than anything that we've

1926
01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:40,530
got can go so we've got this consistent

1927
01:36:45,770 --> 01:36:42,390
that behavior this kind of ambiguous

1928
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:45,780
presence here any thoughts on do you

1929
01:36:50,419 --> 01:36:48,239
think that might change that somehow all

1930
01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:50,429
of a sudden et might say ok they've

1931
01:36:53,689 --> 01:36:52,230
gotten to this level and let's be a

1932
01:36:54,759 --> 01:36:53,699
little bit more open or you think it's

1933
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:54,769
gonna maintain the

1934
01:36:58,779 --> 01:36:57,489
the status quo going forward for that

1935
01:37:00,549 --> 01:36:58,789
well

1936
01:37:01,930 --> 01:37:00,559
like different layers of behavior

1937
01:37:04,359 --> 01:37:01,940
there's different layers the status quo

1938
01:37:07,180 --> 01:37:04,369
one might be that okay we know these

1939
01:37:08,979 --> 01:37:07,190
things are here we see them why are they

1940
01:37:11,919 --> 01:37:08,989
here what what's really going on is

1941
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:11,929
there a way to communicate or are we

1942
01:37:18,339 --> 01:37:15,920
just basically chasing shadows just to

1943
01:37:22,419 --> 01:37:18,349
demonstrate that we're not able to keep

1944
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:22,429
up with them now there's multiple layers

1945
01:37:28,779 --> 01:37:25,489
or levels of thinking involved one a

1946
01:37:30,669 --> 01:37:28,789
very materialistic defense oriented you

1947
01:37:33,850 --> 01:37:30,679
know are these threats in the sky that

1948
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:33,860
we need to consider and do something

1949
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:37,630
about you know the the whole nature of

1950
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:40,130
sightings and experiences when those

1951
01:37:48,819 --> 01:37:45,050
happen I mean you can't imagine the rush

1952
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:48,829
of energy and the excitement and

1953
01:37:53,549 --> 01:37:51,440
adrenaline that's flowing through the

1954
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:53,559
people that are in those experiences so

1955
01:37:58,209 --> 01:37:57,110
for them to be able to then okay take a

1956
01:38:01,149 --> 01:37:58,219
breath relax

1957
01:38:03,279 --> 01:38:01,159
you know find your Center the open up

1958
01:38:05,649 --> 01:38:03,289
and see if you can communicate you know

1959
01:38:07,450 --> 01:38:05,659
that's completely opposite end of the

1960
01:38:11,410 --> 01:38:07,460
spectrum of where they're at in the

1961
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:11,420
engagement of it right so how can we

1962
01:38:16,930 --> 01:38:13,510
expect that to take place

1963
01:38:19,450 --> 01:38:16,940
however it is necessary to at least

1964
01:38:23,470 --> 01:38:19,460
become aware that okay these guys are

1965
01:38:26,830 --> 01:38:23,480
here and ultimately they don't seem to

1966
01:38:29,319 --> 01:38:26,840
be aggressive they don't seem to be

1967
01:38:31,989 --> 01:38:29,329
threatening they seem to be just the

1968
01:38:34,509 --> 01:38:31,999
opposite in some respects if we can look

1969
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:34,519
at the ICBM sylars being shut off in the

1970
01:38:41,589 --> 01:38:37,610
60s as evidence that they are benign if

1971
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:41,599
not benevolent right and there are other

1972
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:44,719
instances that you know that we can look

1973
01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:49,489
at but like a chief says toward the

1974
01:38:57,310 --> 01:38:53,980
government now has to prove otherwise

1975
01:39:00,000 --> 01:38:57,320
same thing occurs the government has to

1976
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:00,010
prove otherwise that they are a threat

1977
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:03,369
there's majority of us no they are not

1978
01:39:07,959 --> 01:39:06,710
or the majority within the experiencer

1979
01:39:10,330 --> 01:39:07,969
realm

1980
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:10,340
but that again is such a small

1981
01:39:15,729 --> 01:39:14,000
percentage that we can only affect you

1982
01:39:17,770 --> 01:39:15,739
know one person or a few people at a

1983
01:39:19,390 --> 01:39:17,780
time or at least have conversations like

1984
01:39:21,850 --> 01:39:19,400
this where many others can have the

1985
01:39:24,610 --> 01:39:21,860
opportunity to listen and contemplate

1986
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:24,620
and percolate and cogitate over what

1987
01:39:30,060 --> 01:39:27,199
we're saying and maybe come up with some

1988
01:39:33,729 --> 01:39:30,070
new ideas or insights of their own

1989
01:39:36,430 --> 01:39:33,739
that's what we're hearing Frank I still

1990
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:36,440
have one question okay here we go

1991
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:43,690
yeah this is we have to be brief okay

1992
01:39:47,709 --> 01:39:46,010
I'm gonna go back to what you said

1993
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:47,719
because it made a big impression on me

1994
01:39:55,060 --> 01:39:49,010
that's why I keep bringing up I'm sorry

1995
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:55,070
okay okay I'm not sorry yeah thank you

1996
01:40:02,950 --> 01:39:58,810
when you assented to that level of all

1997
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:02,960
being beingness oneness okay whatever

1998
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:03,890
you want to call it

1999
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:08,000
no no when when you were everything and

2000
01:40:13,390 --> 01:40:11,330
nothing I wanted to read something to

2001
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:13,400
you and just hold that thought because

2002
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:15,890
I'm gonna ask you about that okay there

2003
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:18,770
was a book written by a gentleman named

2004
01:40:24,580 --> 01:40:22,880
Gary Zhukov he wrote well I know you

2005
01:40:28,510 --> 01:40:24,590
read this book already but it's the Wu

2006
01:40:30,670 --> 01:40:28,520
Lee master yeah and in this book I'm

2007
01:40:33,670 --> 01:40:30,680
just gonna read an excerpt it's just one

2008
01:40:37,620 --> 01:40:33,680
sentence it says the Wooley master does

2009
01:40:41,020 --> 01:40:37,630
not teach but the student learns now

2010
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:41,030
moving along here to 2001 a Space

2011
01:40:49,209 --> 01:40:46,130
Odyssey written by a arthur c clarke

2012
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:49,219
yeah arthur c clarke and the movie was

2013
01:40:53,290 --> 01:40:50,960
started by Stanley Kubrick sorry I was

2014
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:53,300
gonna say Kubrick I didn't but anyway by

2015
01:40:59,050 --> 01:40:57,440
arthur c clarke in that wonderful book

2016
01:41:01,570 --> 01:40:59,060
by the way the book i just want to tell

2017
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:01,580
everybody please read that book it is so

2018
01:41:09,340 --> 01:41:03,920
thin the book is so thin but it's the

2019
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:09,350
longest book I've ever read now anyway

2020
01:41:17,530 --> 01:41:13,489
that book the monolith reminds me of

2021
01:41:19,450 --> 01:41:17,540
what Zhukov says here when he says the

2022
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,460
woolly master does not teach but the

2023
01:41:21,740 --> 01:41:20,960
student learns in other words that

2024
01:41:24,380 --> 01:41:21,750
monolith

2025
01:41:27,170 --> 01:41:24,390
there and every person that came into

2026
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:27,180
contact with the monolith was learning

2027
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:28,800
something from it even though it wasn't

2028
01:41:34,010 --> 01:41:31,290
teaching anything it was just there now

2029
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:34,020
my question to you is this when you

2030
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:36,810
ascended to the level you did and I say

2031
01:41:41,900 --> 01:41:38,490
the word ascended because I'm just gonna

2032
01:41:44,810 --> 01:41:41,910
use a proverbial going up yeah you went

2033
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:44,820
up I'm just gonna stereotype it like

2034
01:41:53,900 --> 01:41:51,330
that okay so when you ascended to that

2035
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:53,910
level and you were everything and

2036
01:41:58,940 --> 01:41:56,850
nothing do you feel like the source that

2037
01:42:00,800 --> 01:41:58,950
you mentioned that one source was like

2038
01:42:03,140 --> 01:42:00,810
the monolith where it wasn't teaching

2039
01:42:12,860 --> 01:42:03,150
but you were learning or it was

2040
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:12,870
reciprocal yes to both alrighty

2041
01:42:19,250 --> 01:42:17,250
all right if if you were able to have

2042
01:42:24,980 --> 01:42:19,260
subjective and objective thought

2043
01:42:27,260 --> 01:42:24,990
processes then my question to you is how

2044
01:42:30,740 --> 01:42:27,270
different are we from being sentient

2045
01:42:33,110 --> 01:42:30,750
beings again I mean if we can all ascend

2046
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,120
that level and then think like a human

2047
01:42:39,740 --> 01:42:35,280
being while it's happening what is the

2048
01:42:41,420 --> 01:42:39,750
point the point is the journey there and

2049
01:42:44,420 --> 01:42:41,430
recognizing that it's one we need to

2050
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:44,430
take and on that note I would like to

2051
01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:45,810
thank you for having been on our show

2052
01:42:48,380 --> 01:42:46,590
every day yeah

2053
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:48,390
thanks so much Zen Benefiel thanks for

2054
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:50,970
coming on and we will wrap this up and

2055
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:53,250
get on with our day here I hope

2056
01:42:56,540 --> 01:42:54,810
everybody enjoyed it we had some big

2057
01:42:59,300 --> 01:42:56,550
news and a great guest set in Benefiel

2058
01:43:01,220 --> 01:42:59,310
so by all means go check out Zen's

2059
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:01,230
website we'll have the link down in the

2060
01:43:06,380 --> 01:43:03,570
description buy his books and read them

2061
01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:06,390
and get something out of that and a Zen

2062
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:08,040
Benefiel thanks so much for joining us

2063
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:11,600
today it was fantastic thank you so

2064
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:14,850
thank you Jim there's a long time coming

2065
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:17,930
beautiful people thank you very much and

2066
01:43:21,620 --> 01:43:20,610
I'll see you next time yes sir we'll

2067
01:43:23,420 --> 01:43:21,630
have you back for sure

2068
01:43:25,730 --> 01:43:23,430
have a good one everybody we'll be back

2069
01:43:26,270 --> 01:43:25,740
next week with another show thank you